Ok villain is a non-believer that I thought understood pot odds. His gameplan is to valuebet the nuts large and trap with his bluffcatchers for 3 streets. I noticed at some point that he could fold top pair when draws completed and he didn't have the initiative.

My image is that I had won a large multiway pot which is why I covered the table for 1500.

The hand I won I had J9 in the SB. On a J98 I lead 20 into a 24 pot got flatted in 2 spots (BB, MP) and LP raised to 60, I decide to flat 40, BB overcalls. turn 9 I lead 220 into 330, BB calls 220, LP raises to 620, we tank and induce BB to overcall drawing dead. LP snap left after tabling 89


9 handed Effective stacks 1250
New guy to the table (350) opens to 25 (was from broken game talking about how he was card dead for 9 hours lol) from MP I 3bet to 85 from CO with A3,


Preflop opener says "That's too big for me to call" and folds out of turn.

BUT folds, villain insta calls 85 (like it was really fast) from the SB, BB folds, New Guy folds.

Flop: $209 (after $6 rake):
25:8
Villain checks, I bet 150. Villain calls (1165) after asking how much ~5 seconds later.

Turn: $509:
4
Villain checks, I bet 275. Villain (1015) tanks forever then calls, by putting 75 in then slowly grabbing 2 stacks of yellow. *I was so excited to valuedown this guy who had tended to be stationy/trappy w/o the initiative.

River: $1059:
5
Villain (740) looks at me for 5 seconds then grabs two stacks of yellow and says 300, putting the money in very confidently.

I just call with out much thought. You don't miss out on too much value when you hAve him beat and when he has you beat its a super super easy b/c for him.

I puke snapcalled in real time. I don't think his specific holdings were significant in this hand, I had just never seen this line before and I could not seeing him have any boat besides like 45 that he decided to cold-call a 3bet with pre.

At the same time if his bet is not a blocker bet it is an extremely polarized line.

I can only see villain having 45cc or 67cc. Pretty easy call no matter what I'd say.

Ya it's an easy call, but I have trouble raising even though his combos of boats should be 1 or 2 and given his cold-call it's hard for him to have made a straight w/o 67ss or 33.

If villain is never bluffing but sometimes valuebetting himself or blocking does that mean we can raise for thin value with such a disguised hand?

I toyed with shipping, but makes no sense given remaining stax and he will only call it off if you are beat. Cant fold though. Bet it was a cooler turn card...

"His gameplan is to valuebet the nuts large" -- so he doesn't have us beat. I'd expect him to ship a boat here always, or at least bet considerably more. Plus it doesn't look at all like he has two pair/set on the turn.

I think he has A5s/56s/57s here a lot. Personally, I'd just go all in. I think he knows he's beat with those hands, but he's gonna have a really difficult time folding given pot odds.

I still think I should have shipped it, If villain has like A5/A8 he might call it off since draws missed. Ok that alone does not make it a ship since he will have slowplayed rivered boats some %.


I think that makes it a ship is that I could invision him thinking that 99-QQ is good when the board pairs and is going for thin value and I should raise to rep air but have a thin value raise.

Like, if he checked, I'm probably shipping. I just hate letting an overpair get away with this.... I should ship unless he never leads 99+, 54, and only tries to get to SD/bcatch OTR>

He just has so few nut hands and if he likes to trap with bluffcatchers, then he most likely has a bluffcatcher on the turn, not 2pair+ which should be a big hand with these stacksizes and preflop action. His bet is small relative to the pot(not big value with nuts) as you described as well. So, especally considering its only 440 more, ship!

Don't mind calling here even if it seems as if we are ahead most of his range most of the time as you described his play tendencies, unless you know he cold calls 99-QQ or KK+AA as well and/or donk hands that hit trips, then I guess it's a shove but it's a nice enough pot nonetheless

I'm surprised that you all have hands like A5s/A8s or 45s/67s in his snap-cold-calling-the-3bet-oop range.

Imo we have villain crushed like 95% of the time. Problem is: Will he ever call with hands like 99-QQ?

Let's say, he has 3 combos of 88 and 1 combo of each 45s and 67s -> That's 5 combos he played very awkwardly that beat us. On the other side, there are above mentioned over pairs that might fold, but if he calls 1/5 over pair combos and one random trips-combo, it's an +EV shove, if I am not mistaken.

You have to at least minraise here.

Edit: didn't realize there was so little left. How is anyone saying anything but ship the money in?

Don't miss out on too much value? By not shoving you miss out on $440 which is 78bb if this is a 2/5 game. Do you think he will call the extra 440 more than 50% of the time with worse? How often does he have better?

This was the second time I have played this 5-5 game and this villain was at my table both times.

I just played last night and he was there again. I know he's not crushing the game (I would play this guy till he went broke AINEC), but I think I overheard him asking someone (second session if they were pro and then he offered that he was "playing to make money".

Anyways,

Villain cold-called pre with 67ss. In this scenario does it make it more likely that you would raise OTR in hte same scenario or less likely?

He later told some geek w/ glasses that called me a station when I called down on the river vs a call,check,bet line (limped pot 4 way from sb) on 688ssTbrick5brick with 62o that "I was 2 levels ahead of what he thought" , lol.

My first thought was to ship, but it is kinda hard to put villian on many strong hands that don't have us beat. I think flatting is best, although I honestly can't put him on a hand. I suppose 5c is pretty likely, and he probably won't fold it to a stuff.