$1-$2 game. This was a family pot (10 way), so for history and stack sizes I'll just go over the players that got involved on the flop.

MP - table nit. Super tight, seemed to be relatively new to live play. I'm not sure if position entered his mind much, but bottom line was if he raised, it was usually all-in, and with the nuts. Could be a huge overbet, but still - all-in, always with the nuts. Value betting is not yet in his repertoire.

Button - solid player, with some tricks up his sleeve. He's pretty good, and has shown the capability to make moves. Got caught bluffing in a couple spots, but they were actually decent spots to make a bluff.

Hero - been pretty active, raising pre-flop a decent amount of the time, winning some uncontested pots and I'd say my image at that point was in the middle of TAG and LAG. I was also getting cards for a couple hours, so even though I heard the mumblings about how "He didn't have anything" when I would win a pot, I usually did have a decent hand with outs.

So, to the hand...

Hero in SB, everyone limps in for $2, when it gets to me, I look down at 53. There's $19 in the middle already, so in goes the $1 to make it $20 total. BB checks.

Flop comes 4710

Hero leads out for $20.

MP (table nit) calls $20.

Button (solid tricky) raises to $60. (Pot now $120)

Hero?

Stack sizes would help. Either shove or fold.

Ooops - thanks wj94 - Stack sizes:

Hero covers

MP $270 (table nit)

Button $170 (solid tricky)

Arrrrr in.

It looks like a bet/fold situation. Im not sure what hands we can get value from if we shove. Villians calling range to your shove crushes you. Its a 3b/massive overbet with the nut low flush(over rep much?) Vs. a NIT and tricky player this seems spewy.

Well that is my name.

And it's not a big over bet. Villain had 85bb to start the hand. And I'm not too worried about the nit.

Thanks Mr. Spyutastic and iplaypotsplayyou - both of these thoughts were hitting me when I was in the hand.

ship.

Thanks jazzarello. Ok, so in that spot I was thinking I am likely ahead, although there could be a higher flush - just not sure what the likelihood of that is. I decided the tricky player could be making a move, or a high heart in his hand, or maybe he actually had a flush as well. Since I saw him make some moves before, I figured I have to think I'm ahead right now most of the time.

For the nit, since he seemed new, and a bit timid, I thought even if he has a flush, he might fold anything but the nuts when facing a bet for all his chips. Maybe not the King high, but it's possible. I really hoped both these players had one high heart in their hands and were drawing.

Anyway, after tanking a bit, I bet big enough to put the nit all in, which would also put the tricky player all in. When I saw the nitty player's hands start to shake and his body twitch as he reached for his chips, I thought "Oh $%@#. He has it. He flopped the %$#@&*% nuts." (He had this physical reaction each of the 3 times I saw him go all in with the buts, only this time he's just calling all in. Button tanks and calls.

I flip over my flush and ask "Do we all have flushes?" No one else flips, so... A ray of hope??? Turn and river are two black cards that don't pair the board, Nit flips over AJ of hearts for the flopped nut flush, button mucks without showing.

I'm wondering - is flush over flush like set over set? What I mean is, with set over set on a dry board, I'm shipping and feeling good about it - if I run into set over set, oh well. Is flush over flush similar to that? Where you don't have too think much and just ship it? Or, is flush over flush much more common, warranting more thought and more folds when you have a small flush? Thanks for any feedback on this.

U should almost always go broke with set over set. Flush over flush is a lot easier to get away from. With a tiny flush u could be drawing dead. Also any set has 33% chance of winning against u and any heart has about 33% chance against u. I'd cc flop and reevaluate on turn. Flushes are very obvious but it's much harder to read someone for a set

HU yeah flush over flush is mostly bad luck. MW you are definitely going to lose money flush over flush but you can control your losses especially with a true nit in the hand. I would be happy getting it in vs button for stacks, but would prepare to let it go vs the nit, so I'd min 3 bet the button and if the nit stays in the hand I'm done betting and folding to anything he bets as he's rarely betting anything we can beat on a flush board MW. Nits do bluff but in my experience it's rarely late and even less so MW, so if he stays and bets later on he's almost always going to have a real hand and 5 high flushes don't beat much in his range unless he has made a mistake.

You shouldn't be worried about the table nit because he didn't raise the flop. I think the best play would probably to 3bet to ~$160 or so. Then you'll be committed to calling a shove, but I think you'll be against Ax or sets/2pair often enough that this would be ok. I think?

edit: actually, any raise commits you to the pot if the button sticks it in, so you could probably get away with a smaller raise, like $120 straight, so at least that way you could see what the nit does.

I think we need to min raise this. If the nit calls were done, and probably drawing dead. I want to get it in vs tricky button. As far as flush over flush goes, it is more common then set over set(more combos) That is why we need to be carefull playing soooted garbage. You were in checked bb, so you may have an excuse.