Hand would've been SO much easier if you'd bet the flop.

I see all the time people falling into random scary spots when trying to "pot control".
If he had QJ, he would most likely c/r you otf if you'd bet. Same goes to sets and other 2 pair hands.

But you decided to check behind, so now he bets the turn and you have trips. What now? Does he have a boat? Is he on a monster draw? Is he bluffing you solely with a random heart?

I particularly hate checking our value hands on this kind of flop because we tell the truth (we're weak) to our opponents while gaining no info on his hands' strength.

It's unacceptable having position and lacking information.

As played, just fold. Guy must be a genius to show the jack and bluff c/r shove otr.

You got bluffed dude. Bad fold, villain was running you over all day.

That's possible LOL

sorry if i missed it: exactly how much is it to call and how much is in the pot?

3+5+5+25+25=63 pre
still 63 on flop
63+55+55=173 on turn
173 + 150 + his 500ish shove = $823 in the pot and 350-370 to call.

I would def call, player at low stakes like that shows you a jack and shoves, I'm guessing he has a kicker he's not too proud of and is showing you that jack to try and push you off your flush, he possibly thinks you have a lower heart and can push you off your hand. I call in this situation

Also I believe you were playing scared, if you were at your usual 1-2 game then I'm guessing you easily make that call which makes me think you are playing scared and should not be moving up in stakes yet, but hey it worked for you that day with +1300

Wasn't playing scared. WAS playing tight. I'm normally maniac at $1-2, LAG would be too complimentary and not self-aware.

Grunch: instafoldit

TL, didn't re-read with villain is in blinds or limped. Either way, I can count on one hand where I've seen a good player turn a hand like this into a bluff. Let alone what I assume you are portraying is a bad player.

I think we can safely say at this level this person isn't turning a Jx into a bluff. Even if he can turn something like J10 into a bluff, he would only do this a miniscule amount of the time so it's not even material. There are 3 Qj's and 1 KHjD, and the last one should also be deeply discounted since generally that would be a standard call.

Combinatorically alone, this is a clear fold. Given he also gave you a speech and shrugged his shoulders, I would fold.

Im surprised anyone said this is a call, hes angleshooting you with you a fullhouse, didnt read the results yet, but this is a FH a ton.

Also I dont like your bet on the river.

I don't understand this, why would showing trips cause a flush to fold? It's a lot more likely that it's designed to get a flush to call.

I agree, and why I folded. He said he had me beat, but what the hell does that mean?

More importantly, why would a "lower" heart matter. A flush of any kind beats his bare J and loses to his boat.

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Two things:

1) Make up your mind before you bet what you'll do if someone shoves. Then their antics will not affect your decision.

2) He was obviously trying to get you to fold, and you did what he wanted, and what everyone seems to think is obvious. On the other hand, I believe it was an easy call -- I like to disappoint fellow poker players.

*grunch*
this is 100% a fold as played. With your passive call line it's very clear you've got a Ah/Kh type of hand. If he didn't have you beat he would most likely bet fold, and the fact that he "shrugged" as in the "ahhh what the hell" it means you're french toast. Fold.

1. Yes it's good to have a plan before we act, but poker is a game of information and this person was giving away tells of strength which we should use to factor into our decision.

2. He was not obviously trying to get him to fold, he was trying to get him to call with his strong "trips". If the guy was doing some level 4 thinking then more props to him for being a frickin genius, but we're talking about $3/5 over here and as far as I know Durrrr wasn't in this game.

I like how you played this hand. That is one of the hardest river folds I've seen, no clue how correct it is.

I disagree with you. Obviously he was purposely giving away tells -- no one doubts that.

It's how to interpret them that makes a difference.

If a Jack indicates trips we can't fold. Obviously a jack indicates a full house, and no one indicates truthfully.

I'd probably call,
if vallians not dreadfully tricky, it doesn't make sense for him to show a card that can potentially make a boat if he wants get called from a high flush.
His hand can't beat any flush therefore got very little showdown value after u bet. Therefore he had to raise to win the pot, and by showing one jack, it added weight to his story.

wrong. had many players verbally indicate that they had me beat (smart of them? no)... had nuts... showed one and indicated boats/nut flushes and had such boats/nut flushes.

great fold OP. all the talking, shrugging, showing the jack... he most likely had the boat.

I actually necro'd this thread. Apologies. Using phone.

I have lost no sleep over this fold. There is no way he is trying to get me to fold by showing me the jack. He's trying to get me to think he "believes his trips are good" and let me think "HA, I got you sucker. I have the A-high flush", snap call to see the boat he really has.

Remembering it, the only hand that I thought might be played the way he did and I beat was KJ with K of hearts. Same principle, but trying to get me to call with a lesser flush (shove-angle-value bet if you will).

I don't think I can fold, because I never do the right thing in the heat of the moment. But I agree he's full here almost always.

Reads on villain are helpful. I am assuming you were in position in the hand and he was looking to check raise his two pair on this wet wet wet board. He leads signifying strength then makes a gigantic check raise on the river. All these add up to holkywooding the nuts

Good fold, wish I had your strength! 😃