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Old 03-06-2012, 04:48 PM   #1
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$3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

I'm playing $3-5 and (though I suspect people on here always over-estimate how tight their image is at a table and/or that low-stake live players even pick up on image of players at all) I believe I am viewed as tight, possibly even scared to be playing as deep as I am at this level. I sit $1-2 in this room 90% of the time.

I hit top two and a king high flush and am now sitting around $1000, after buying in for just $300. Between $300 and $600 are allowed Villain, sitting with just over $600 has already cracked my aces with A9 and bet me off an AKx board when I had QQ, both times with me raising 5BBs pre and him calling alone behind. He showed one card (ace) on the latter hand.

Hero is on the button, 7 handed, and with 2 limpers I raise to $25 with AJ and again only villain calls.
Flop comes QJ7 and action goes check-check.
Turn is J I now have trip jacks and the ace high flush draw. He leads out for $55 and I call behind. My logic, though aware could easily be flawed is that I am either incredibly ahead or incredibly behind. But my thought/play gets worse...so let's get to that.

The river is the 5 giving me the A-high flush. He checks to me and I bet $150. He tanks, gives the courtesy "Why so much?"...tanks some more and then turns over a the case jack. At first I think this is to get my reaction to "Does trips beat you?" (unsaid)...and I'm begging he calls...then he shrugs his shoulders and shoves it all in.

At this point my thinking totally changes...and for now I will leave it at that. Beyond any criticism of the entire hand's play by me...I am still curious to what you put him on, and of course..."As played I would call/fold."
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:00 PM   #2
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

I snap call and get pissed when he tanks then shoves QJ nuts.
When he shows the J I don't thinkw e can fold after he tanks.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:04 PM   #3
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

Always cbet this flop with an Ace blocker and a pair.

Turn flatting is good.

River: Did the 4th heart look like it scared him? I just don't see someone checking a fullhouse here vs a tight player. Unless he puts you on a fullhouse. When he shows the j its an insta call.

Now if your an aggressive player then he could be hollywooding a weak fullhouse.

Did villain ever shove in any of those hands against you? What's his general style of play.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:04 PM   #4
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

If he did all that acting w/o showing then shoves i think you can safely fold. Since he flashed a J then shoved i think he has a smaller J a lot of the time
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:05 PM   #5
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

With the speech, I am never going to call this c/r.

I put him on a QJ/J7 type hand. Either way, he has a full house here.

I like how you played they hand.

Checking the flop is good because it will allow you to control the size of the pot with a hand that is likely best on a draw heavy board.

Calling the turn is fine because you have too strong of hand to fold because the villain could definitely be leading with a weaker hand. It is also going to be tough to get value form worse hands OTT. You have flush draw protection so seeing another card is not a concern.

OTR I bet less than this to try and get a call from weak heart that is trying to get to showdown. Something like 100-120.

As played, I would definitely fold.

EDIT: I would also like to add that your hand does look like a heart here. And when you bet $150, you hand looks a lot like the A of hearts. Another reason this is probably a fold.

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Old 03-06-2012, 05:10 PM   #6
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

Villain dependent, but as played I call most of the time. If he had QJ and made a full on a board that could produce a flush, then WTH is he doing by revealing he might have that hand? If he's tanking because he's afraid that you have the queens to his underfull, he'd probably show the whole hand.

Put him on trips and call unless you have a very good reason to suspect he's doing a reverse fake in order to prompt a call from the nut flush. Usually, when players get "cute" like that, it means snap call if you beat what they're repping.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:11 PM   #7
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

First, damn poker gods for putting you in this spot.
Second, hit an A on the river next time so can snap his A$$ off.
Third, close your eyes, take a deep breath and say " I call".
Fourth, if you ran into a boat, reload or grind it back at 1/2.


BTW, did he look at his cards to choose which one to show?
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:12 PM   #8
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

need reads on villain. all we have right now is that he bad beat you, not much other than that. this is tough because your river sizing polarizes your hand to boat/nut flush/nothing. so it looks really strong, but then when he turns over the J and tank shoves i think we have to fold because i just dont see very many ppl doing **** like this without the nuts. with that being said, villains turn bet is awfully big. so why would he bet so big if he turned the boat? if he rivered the boat this makes sense, but we need to know if he plays hands like j5
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:14 PM   #9
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

this is a pretty big river shove btw he has 520ish left after action, i dont see many ppl just jam in 520 after showing a jack with 4 to a flush on the board without a boat
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:14 PM   #10
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

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Villain dependent, but as played I call most of the time. If he had QJ and made a full on a board that could produce a flush, then WTH is he doing by revealing he might have that hand? If he's tanking because he's afraid that you have the queens to his underfull, he'd probably show the whole hand.

Put him on trips and call unless you have a very good reason to suspect he's doing a reverse fake in order to prompt a call from the nut flush. Usually, when players get "cute" like that, it means snap call if you beat what they're repping.
OTR, isn't the villain representing a full house?
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:19 PM   #11
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OTR, isn't the villain representing a full house?
Why would villain show a j tank and shove with a fullhouse.

Villain move otr looks like j with a K heart. The only hand that makes sense.

J7/j5/QJ would never do that.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:36 PM   #12
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

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Why would villain show a j tank and shove with a fullhouse.

Villain move otr looks like j with a K heart. The only hand that makes sense.

J7/j5/QJ would never do that.
First of all, my bad on the 77/55 statement in my first post. I missed that in my first read. So basically that first post is ****. oops.

I disagree that J7/J5/QJ never do this.

In situations where villains do strange things like this, I have just never won calling them.

Why do you think the villain is c/r ai with the K of hearts here?
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:48 PM   #13
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

Well I'm thinking villain is bad just like any player we analyze.

"And that's the only hand that makes sense to me". Villain has to put op on a heart. Why would he show trips that's no good on a 4flush board and shove. He wants a call not a fold.

Hero can't have QJ/J7/J5, so only hands he would want a call from are, 77/55, op is scared money he won't ever have those hands in his range.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:52 PM   #14
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

with the speech, showing the Jack and then shoving, im probally folding tbh
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Old 03-06-2012, 06:00 PM   #15
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Re: $3-5 Turned trips, rivered AceHigh Flush...

I think your river sizing really sucks. What are you hoping to get called by when you pot the river? $100 is a better size IMO. Allows you to get calls from lesser flushes, some jacks and a few stubborn queens.

I think you should cbet this flop. This is as good a flop to cbet as any and you got a piece of it. There are plenty of draws and a few worse made hands that can come along. You can check the turn if you don't improve.

As played, I like the flat on the turn.

The river is a pretty sticky spot. How can he be beating you when he checks? With the speech and the show, how can he not be beating you when he shoves? Gross. If you truly think villain sees you as tight I would call because he runs the risk of you checking behind and would have been value betting his boats. If you have doubts about the image, I would make a crying call. If he knows you are scared money, he can be turning a lot of value hands into a bluff. Either way, I think villain knows exactly what you have and the decision for hero revolves around what he thinks villain would do with that information.

Something I don't see specified is where villain is: a blind or the field?

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