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07-19-2012 , 11:21 AM
Playing a $1/$2 NLHE game in a charity room. It's the end of the night, and we're down to the final 4 players as people have busted/left. The room will close for the night in about 15 minutes; this often causes people to want to gamble it up a bit more than usual.

Hero: $175 -- played a pretty tight, nitty style when the table was full, loosening up as we got shorthanded, should be perceived as nitty still

Villain 1: $230 -- a LAG player who has gotten very aggressive in shorthanded play

Villain 2: $100 -- old man, tight, staying in line

Villain 3: $200 -- young guy, calling station, sees lots of flops (even calling decent raises preflop) and then it's fit/fold

Hero is on the button, Villain 1 is first to act, Villain 2 is the small blind, Villain 3 is the big blind. No straddle out there.

Hero looks down at A Q

Villain 1 raises to $15. Hero decides to flat call with position to try to let Villain 1 hang himself. (Thoughts on this?) Villain 2 calls. Villain 3 calls. (I didn't expect both of them to hang around.)

Flop ($60): A J 9

Villain 1 goes all in for $215. ($160 effective for Hero.)

This looks like a draw to me almost 100% of the time. Is there any way we find a call here? Easy snap fold? Are we worried about the two players yet to act?
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07-19-2012 , 11:26 AM
I think I call on this flop given description of villain-- Also, I am 3-betting this vs. villain ~100% of the time pre-flop
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07-19-2012 , 11:36 AM
Just 3bet this dude pre if he calls w worse, then generate your position, power and nitty image and commit on most flops

Otf im torn, I need to have a good idea he does this w draws to call here comfortably. I look at other villains reaction and if they look disinterested I prolly suck it up n call, expecting a ton of value hands of at+ and combo draws.
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07-19-2012 , 02:27 PM
draw or j9

call

also 3 bet pre
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07-19-2012 , 02:40 PM
I'm glad I posted this here. So far, all three replies have suggested calling (although one with more hesitation than the other two). I thought most people would think the idea of calling $160 into a $60 pot with one pair (and two players yet to act) would be horrible. Thanks for these responses, and I'm interested in hearing from anyone else re: this hand.
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07-19-2012 , 03:25 PM
You should raise pre more then call against a LAG, but calling is fine also, you don't need to push here.

On the flop, I'm eaning fold. If villain has a value hand it is beating ours, we are only slightly ahead of most diamond draws, and still have two people behind. Even a straight draw we only have around 66% equity. Villain probably isn't bluffing into 3 people on that board. I might still call depending on how interested the people behind seem and how often villain has been making big bluffs.
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07-19-2012 , 03:41 PM
This is almost always two pair or a set, possibly AdXd. Occasionally a semi-bluff on a draw, but you are probably beat here...
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07-19-2012 , 04:01 PM
What do we beat?
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07-19-2012 , 04:27 PM
What nutty hand does he overbet with?
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07-19-2012 , 04:44 PM
AK, AJ, AT, A9, sick combo draws
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07-19-2012 , 07:23 PM
OP again: my own thinking was he could be on any kind of combo diamond/straight draw, from A x all the way down to something like 8 7. That was what I initially put him on. I think J9 makes sense here, and possibly he could do this with Q 10 or 10 8? AK, AQ, and AJ could all do this, although it seems less likely with AJ. I definitely don't put him on a set -- he'd bet that more normally for value IMO.

Can someone pokerstove that type of range -- what kind of equity do we have against that?
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