8handed live 2-5 game. Hero is BTN 170bb
Sb(v1) unknown, 80bb. Bb aggrofish(v2), 200bb

Folded to BTN: KJcc, hero raise to 4BB($20), v1call v2call.

Flop 7c8h9c
V1 check, v2 check, Hero Bet 9BB($45). V1 call, V2 raise 40BB($200). Hero ??


Should I be checking back this flop, because aggrofish can c/r wide here? Or should i GII now or bet/call and play some turns ip since i still have 100bb OTT.

I would bet sets and straights and two pair on the flop for value, should i be balancing with this hand too bcos it has a blocker?

Should i vbet overpairs on this flop?

I think being this deep you should check back the flop, our chances of taking it down are slim and facing a checkraise (which is reasonably likely) our hand doesn't do that well against their range. With AJcc instead I'd be happy to bet and GII because we're now crushing other flush combo draws instead of being crushed by NFDs.

As played, call and hope the other guy comes along.

You don't need to worry at all about balancing your range here, aggrofish is already going to be checkraising a lot, just stick to value bets.

I would not bet an overpair on this flop because I'm going to have to fold to a checkraise.

get it in now. I would bet here a lot haha. Reason is aggro fish Villain.

or we can flat and see if board pairs or whatever.

Am i cbetting enough combos if i dont bet this hand + overpairs? I assume id check behind a hand like T9 also then.

So i would vbet sets, straights, twopairs, AJ/ATcc. would KTcc/QTcc be enough vs aggrofish, or add to the check back? I feel we def. have some fold equity too against this villian, and/or he will call with a hand in bad shape (say, any pair with a 6 or T kicker, any flush draw)

Thanks for your replies

Flop is pretty std x back

more i look at this hand i think just calling might be better but might not matter either way.

1. Villain has a draw, turn bricks but he shoves anyways and we have to call right? so we still GII and nothing really changes

2. Villain has a set/straight. Turn comes and its a brick, he shoves we still call right?

3. Same scenario but flush hits. we shove and Villain calls 100% of range or not?

So IMO this turns into a question of does Villain pay us off when the draws come and there are a lot of draws here. I think He does regardless cause hes a aggro donk. So less variance line seems like to be call bet and see turn. But if he doesnt pay off made draws then i think we should shove.

If i don't improve on the turn, i dont have the required equity to GII. Im starting to like x back on the flop now because at least i can have some implied odds if V1/2 bet/overbet the turn. As well, my hand would be more disguised if the flush card comes in.

I wonder if he folds if you reraise? That's a facet I didn't really consider. My guess is not, but his hand is pretty bad and could be drawing dead.

I mean KJcc does well against this hand in particular (57-58% or something) but this is one of his worst hands presumably. If he's checkraising this loose then jamming might work out fine, but it's thin and I'd still rather just check the flop back and not ride the variance train.