Hero A4 clubs mid position $350
Villain Button with $700

Utg limps, fold, I limp, fold fold, fold, Villain raise to $20. SB fold, BB calls, limper calls, I call. Pot $80.

Flop KcJh6c, two clubs. Everyone checks to raiser, I figure I don't want to shove here with bet get raised and shove with so much behind so I checked too. I'm conflicted on planning a check raise. Button bets 50. Fold, fold, I call. Pot $180.

Villain has lost a buy in spewing chips, plays regularly, haven't seen him do much other than stack a fish twice after flopping a set each time. I range him on AK,KQ,KJ, JTclubs and JTo, JJ, 66, KK, A6, AJ, QTc and QTo..huge range. I figure he would 3bet if I check raise with a lot of combos so I just call.

Turn 9c
This might slow him down but I had seen him bet light and I figured a lot of the strong hands in his range would bet. So I check and he checks behind. Damn it. This told me his range was KQ or worse because he would value bet anything stronger.

River 2s

I want a call so I bet 100 into 180, he thought for awhile and I tried to act statuesque then nervous hoping for a call. He called and mucked.

I'm no genius so is my though process leaking anything? Could I get a call on the river after betting 1/3 pot on the turn? Could I have bet half pot on turn and and bet all in on river if he calls the turn?

only issue i can really see is preflop but only the nits will call you out on it (this is coming from a prflop monkey though)

rest is fine.

I like calling flop with NFDs more then non-NFDs. I want people to catch up. I want people with a lone to see turn and hopefully see a 3rd fall causing him to call one more bet.

Turn is hard honestly cause this is all villin dependent. The std line would be to check to the raiser though. Leading would depend on Villains view of you.

River is good man. nice lead for a good size. NH

I think pre-flop is ok. No real issue.

On the flop if you were in position, I could advocate for raising. However being OOP makes the flop play as such against most opponents. You're left in a bad spot if the turn bricks and normally would lead out and inflate the pot which only works if your favor if the flush hits on the river.

Checking the turn is ok and is pretty standard for a lot of players in this spot. What would you have done if he bet?

Leading the river is your best option and you sized it well. As played I think you got pretty close to max value, depending on his hand of course.

If you bet 60 on the turn and were called, how much would you have bet on the river?

Seems fine... the 9 is the worst club you could have hit vs. all of his Kx/one pair hands. It will almost never improve him to 2 pair, and it completes the most likely straight draw in addition to the flush. So I think it would be difficult to get 2 streets of value if you led the turn. Altering your line to try and maximize value from these weaker hands feels greedy to me. If your read on his turn value betting range is correct, he's going to have plenty of 2 pair+ hands that you can check/shove against.

Grunching:

Pre: Limping is fine but depends on table dynamics. I know people will say raise, but you are too shallow to do that. Folding is good if you are reasonably confident that there will be a raise behind your limp.

Flop: WP. Check raising and bet shoving are horrible. You will be repping 66, FD's, and a heavily discounted KJ. Any loose villain who can read hands a little bit will want to GII.

Turn: I think you played this okay. Unless your image is aggro, V probably bet turn more often than call a donk. If he has Qc or Jc, you want to give him a card. He's more likely to call one bet on the river. That's what he did.

i think im spewier than most people on this forum and i would definitely fold preflop from MP and 70bb deep.

as played this is a pretty clear x/r with 70bb. i would x/r pretty big to maximize fold equity and give myself a very good price to call a jam.

Thanks for the thoughts MK.

I think I need to learn more about villain. I also think that villain may not know enough about me. I can't think of what he would think he beats with a river call. Puts me on KQ and has AK, has KT and thinks I'm betting AJ or QJ....oh well on to the next sesh tomorrow.

Thanks for your thought big country.

Q1: If he bet say 100 I think I would call and then lead shove river since I would only have 180 left and the pot is 380. Mostly because I would then put his range as high as the straight. But if I think that maybe it's really a check raise all in on the turn to get paid by sets and two pairs...

Q2: A river shove may not get called if I bet 220 into a 300 pot. So I lead for 150.

But as the hand turned out I think you're right I got the max I could

Good tip on the check shove. Thanks.

Nice grunch, much appreciated! I'm nitty so possibly caused villain to keep the pot small with whatever weak hand he had.

Maybe I need to grow the cojones to be more of a TAG then tight and passive. Thanks for the thoughts. I assume that if I had 200 behind it's a check shove on the flop. I assume since 70bb is not deep yet it warrants the check raise big on the flop, I'll digest that logic.

^^^^

weigh out the hand combos that call a c/r and those that dont and see how it goes.

im thinking that c/r is over playing but we do got nut equity so theres that.

This maybe wrong but im more about taking people to value town then getting people to fold now at low limits. seems easier and less variance haha.

If you are going to limp/call preflop (which isnt great), then you need to check raise this flop all in. You have the perfect stack size for it. You cant just check/call and hope you hit the flush. Do the math for how many times you call the $50 flop bet and miss the turn compared to how many times you hit the turn. Most times when you do hit, you wont get paid off.

This is a very standard crai on the flop.

I think either way is fine. I'm not sure there's a K in his range that he ever folds though and if he doesn't have a K or its somehow a weak K you probably see the river for free. Is that a terrible way of thinking?

Would that also be your move if you were IP?

Don't limp/call any hands in earlyish position with 70BBs. That part's pretty bad. In your position, the only way I'm limping A4s, is if I plan on limp/reraising a late position raiser.

I'd bet more on river.

Other than that, everything seems fine.

Not always but mostly, Yes.

If he folds a K, you win a nice pot 100% of the time
If he has no King, you win a nice pot 100% of the time
If he has a K that he wont fold you still win almost 50% of the time

You cant lose in the long run.

Your stack is so small, you can x/jam flop. It realizes all your equity and folds out enough hands to be very profitable. If villain folds top pair that's a great result (unlikely), if not your A outs are often good along with the obvious flush outs.

Agree with all of that. I tend to lean a little too risk adverse. Whats the largest stack size you'd make a shove with?

Depends on the situation, my image and the player really. In general though, somewhere around $500.

+1.

Most of all, though, the hand seems to shout (to me) of playing without a plan. You weren't really sure preflop, but you know it's sooted, so, ok, limp, and then, well, he raised, ok, call.

Then you say on the flop you weren't sure what to do wrt a c/r.

When you first peel your cards and see the suitedA, it's time to start planning out the whole hand--not dictating, but beginning to build the logic tree so you are ready as the action happens. One branch on that tree needs to be along the lines of I'm 70BB deep, if I hit my flush draw, let alone a flush, how do I maximize the hand.

If there is a question about getting it all in on with the flush draw, don't play the hand at all.

We have to play street-by-street, but we have to think about the whole hand.

OP I should also reiterate that I think preflop is bad. I'm not sure why people think limping small suited aces are fine from MP with 70 bb.

Thanks for your thoughts. Preflop I usually fold but the game was unusually fishy

Thanks pocketzeroes. I like reading your posts btw.

Thanks. Check raise all in seems to be in most people's gameplan

Wise words thank you!