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Old 02-06-2012, 06:56 AM   #1
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2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

Sands 2-5NL my 6th hand with essentially no reads.
Standard raise has been $25 in the few hands I've seen

Hero $400 UTG with KK makes it $25 pre flop
Everyone with like $300-500
UG+1 calls
UTG +2 calls
cascade and everyone except UTG+4 calls

Pot $200
Flop QQ3r

Now what?
Obviously if I had any idea table is like this, a raise to 40-50 would have been better, but the 2 raised hands I saw were to 25 with 3 to a flop which I would be fine with.

Is there any point at all to betting out here? Am I just asking to get reraised by better and worse(stuff like JJ TT 99 that thinks it's good) when I can't call. I know SPR is 2 but with 7 callers and the way we got to that SPR, I don't think SPR is even relevant here. Can I even pot control anymore here?
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:31 AM   #2
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

i like your sizing preflop. now just c/f
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:41 AM   #3
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

just c/f
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:44 AM   #4
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

I think I check, for sure. I am folding to most actions, but what if it checks around? (I know it's unlikely, but still...)
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:09 AM   #5
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

Pot $200

I check
checks around to cutoff who bets $25
folds to me

I feel it's almost just a feeler bet or big hand trying to induce with some goofy sizing. I don't think I can fold for $25 but plan to fold to any check raise or serious action later

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:13 AM   #6
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

Sounds like you are pissing away $25 if you still plan to fold. Your relative position still sucks with several still to act behind you and the action checking to CO again on turn.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:15 AM   #7
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

Fml I hate folding here but I do it
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:02 PM   #8
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

check/fold flop

$25 is temping but that may be the entire point. Plus you still have four players left to act after you call and you're just left guessing on anymore turn/river decisions. it sucks but this is a pretty clear fold.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:11 PM   #9
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Raise pre is fine, I might check call once if it's small and just fold turn if they continue, but prolly check fold, which sucks.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #10
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

Spot sucks but I call.

UTG+2 calls rest fold

Pot $275
turn 5
Board QQ35r

I check
UTG +2 checks
CO bets $25 again

11-1 odds now. How can i fold here? I start to think I may be ahead. I mean WTF is a $25 bet here?? It's not a Q. It's not really value. It shouldn't be 33 if he's got any clue. Could be QQ but how likely is that, and cold call and a check again by UTG+2? Weak, like 77-TT, or maybe Q-rag afraid of CO. I don't know what else.

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Old 02-06-2012, 12:30 PM   #11
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

Haha, now you gotta call. You are getting 11:1 and are 4% to hit your over boat and only need 8% equity. If you hit the overboat you can easily win the difference.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:35 PM   #12
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

I call this bet and whatever he fires on the river. I can't see why after getting two calls someone is going to bet so small with a strong hand, unless he has quads. I might consider leading the river if you think he is passive and wont make a move on you.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:39 PM   #13
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

As played I'd toss in another green and check call the river. May not be optimal but that bet sizing in a standard live game can be a Q or could be literally anything. I've seen much worse than a q here more frequently than a q. I'd make a comment after the hand about how he sucked me in and how I knew he had the nuts.... (boosts his ego). Then rob him blind later.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:32 PM   #14
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

I call $25
UTG+1 sighs and folds

Pot $325
River 6

I actually think I might be ahead but should I bet here? The thought of it during hand made me throw up in my mouth a little.
I really don't have a clue if he'd call worse here. Not sure what's going on in his head in a live game but he's been pretty passive I guess.
Honestly during hand I was pretty damn confused here.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:43 PM   #15
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Re: 2-5NL KK UTG 7 callers, Now what?

people want to fold to a $25 bet in a $200 pot?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

even on implied odds you can call for $25 and try to spike a king

as played I'd probably bet/fold $75 on the river
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