I used to play 2/5 regularly up until 2 years ago. I took a long break, and I think my game has lot of rust on it.

Took a trip to Wynn/Encore (didn't even realize they moved the poker room, and raised the rake ) - and sat down at the 2/5 table. After being card dead for while I finally got KK - I had around $1300

2 caller when initially raised to a standard $20. I had a very passive image at this table due to being card dead most of night.

Flop was 10,Q,K rainbow. I lead out $75... One European accent (not too imaginative nor too intimidating figure) quickly raises to $200, knocking out one player - I call.

Turn brings 7. I check. Villain goes all in.... He had around $1000 at the time of all in..

I don't know what to do here. I think I would've made a more confident decision 2 years ago, but long time away from game really made me timid... Please help....

Positions and action? Reads, etc.?

If the guy limp/called for example, I doubt he has QQ. But if you raised from EP at a full ring table and he called, then QQ could be in his range.


FWIW, vs. a range of exactly QQ, TT and AJ you are about 50/50 on the flop. A bit worse on turn; 43ish.

I was in EP at a full ring game. The villain is pretty lose player, several times limping or calling to a raise and folding on flop or on turn - The flop raise was a surprise (he never did that before), the turn all in was even a bigger shocker (he never did that either). Like I said not too imaginative nor too aggressive.

So based on your assessment, is this a call or fold??? - Based on my read... I was around 80% sure he had the nuts, but how do I act on this read??

i dont think you can fold with top set. cause of TT and QQ. since OP raised in EP at full ring game, i can certainly see someone calling behid with QQ. and even if he has a straight you have outs. so he is either drawing totally dead, or you have outs.

im not sure i like your flop/turn line though, cause you are letting him check behind if he has something like TJ. considering re-raising flop or leading out on turn

grunch

Your hand is too good to fold on this board. As played, I call turn AI--if he's got the straight, you still have outs to win. The thing is, couldn't he have TT, QQ, KQ, JT just as easily as AJ or J9 (ok, only 3 combos of KQ).

I think I click it back to 450ish on flop and shove turn for value.

Kind of weird he would over bet 1000 into a pot of roughly 200ish ? Sometimes bad nits make this move with the nuts because they dont want to get drawn out on...

This spot sucks! He could easily have QQ, TT or KQ here too...

Well ok, 3 combos TT, 3 combos QQ, 3 combos KQ, 12 combos JT you beat (if he has all JTo). 21 total combos (maybe 17 combos with discounted JTo). You've got him crushed or ~25% with JT.

16 combos AJ (if he has all AJo), 16 combos J9 (if he has all J9o) beat you although I don't give him all J9o. Maybe 24ish total combos (discounting some J9) where you have ~35% equity.

Tough spot. I agree this feels like he has the straight. But this would also make sense with a set. I don't think I could find a fold here because vs the straight you have river outs.

I don't think Villain is doing this with something like JT or other pair/straight draw combos. When a passive, fit or fold type of player suddenly gets hyper aggressive, flags should go up. With your EP raise and tighter image, you're never calling the flop with worse than AA. Villain could have top two here, but feels like a set or straight. Most likely a straight.

Folding here isn't wrong at all. But I make the call and if you lose, it is a cooler. Pot is around $450 so you have to invest another 1K to win almost 1.5K. Given that Villain can have sets and you have outs to his straight, this is a reluctant call.

As an aside, if you're feeling rusty, why play 2-5 at the Wynn/Encore? That's the deepest, toughest game in Vegas and a terrible place to sit when you're trying to get your bearings after a long layoff. You shouldn't have been sitting at this table.

41 total combos

For the 9 combos of sets/KQ, 95% of the time you win ~2400 (the whole pot).
For the 8 combos of JT, 75% of the time you win ~2400.
For the 24 combos of AJ/J9, 65% of the time you lose ~2400.

(9/41)(0.95)(2400)+(8/41)(0.75)(2400)-(24/41)(0.65)(2400) = -$61.46 EV

Hmm, maybe I was wrong??? If JT can be discounted because he would likely flat the flop, EV gets even worse. Is my math correct here?

Call, overbet on this texture normally shows more weakness than strength, I assume he is taking this line with worse made hands including kq, sets

This seems totally read dependent on our European opponent. If you've seen him flat with big pocket pairs before then that adds a substantial amount of credit to believing he could show up with TT or QQ here. You describe him as non imaginative and not intimidating so I assume this isn't QT, maybe KQ but I feel it's a stretch seeing as how he over bets turn so much. Then again over betting so much could indicate villain doesn't have the nuts, as the huge over bet should fold all but your strongest hands.

Did the 7 bring a flush draw or continue the rainbow? Could add a few combos to his hand and more incentive for him to protect his hand.

I'd probably puke fold. I don't see how anyone could think that villain is suddenly going crazy with JT or QT. His range is heavily weighted towards J9, AJ, TT, QQ, and some KQ. Obviously more combos of J9 and AJ than TT and QQ. If we're seriously going to assume villain gets super aggro when flopping a set with those hands, I'd have to ask why he didn't 3bet pre? QQ seems like a no brainier raise while TT may go either way.

I doubt that a turn push here is hoping for a call. If there were a flush draw possible, I could understand him playing this fast with a hand that beat you, but without it, I don't think that AJ or J9 are as likely. KQ, QQ, TT, maybe KJ or even JJ seem more likely, and as someone else pointed out, even if you're looking at AJ, you're looking at 10 outs, so 23% equity? And you're getting 2.4:1 on a 3:1 draw, so it's not that bad when you are behind, which I don't think is the majority of the time here.

you're 80% sure he has the nuts but you have to ask how to act on it?

like most others here i couldnt find a fold. when I play 2/5 i typically bet at least $30 with high pocket pairs pre flop to try and rule out any b.s., for example J9 offsuit. I also would've 3bet his raise on the flop to retain pot control.

betting like a complete donk i'm willing to bet he didn't have the nuts. i agree with monikrazy in that betting like this on that board texture shows weakness. if you have the nuts you value bet. his raise on the flop was to feel you out and since you called instead of 3betting he thought he felt weakness in you not having the nuts or a set and figured his KQ or Q10 as good enough.

this is a difficult call, but a call for sure.

edit: p.s. 2/5 in atlantic city is basically 1/2 NL for idiots that want to play recklessly with more money. meaning the same b.s. and antics that occur in 1/2 just get carried over to the 2/5 tables and people end up playing like your european friend. that being said, unless the guy has the demeanor of a semi-pro - he is just another donk. maybe a donk that got lucky because you let him see a cheap flop with AJ, but still a donk.

did you end up calling and seeing what he had?

Call. You're at the top of your range, your hand is underrepresented, you got 10 outs against the nuts, there are value hands of villains that you beat.

Pot is more like $460....not $200

Im not sure why hero is betting $75 into a $60-$65 pot on the flop in the first place (Confusing post but I think the flop came 3 ways?)

Seems like worst possible case scenario, call is a small mistake but fold is a big mistake.

CALL.

Other thing is that you called the flop. To me if you are call flop here, it's a play that can induce a semi bluff or overplay. So it's def a call imo.

I think call on flop is better than raise, because I'm not folding this hand no matter what. Might as well try and induce the bottom of his range and disguise the value of your hand.

I don't see villain pushing sets or two pair this hard on a straightened board.

Thank you for all your feedback. It is very helpful. I contemplated a call for long time. I finally talked to the villain to get any clue of whether he might have a set or the nuts.

I offered him $100 to let me look at one card. Surprisingly he said ok... Then the dealer said that is not allowed. The fact that he readily agree to that deal, gave me more confidence he had the nuts and I folded. (If that one card is anything like Q, or T then obviously I'm calling)

He smiled, and as he was collecting the pot he showed me an Ace.
With the read I had, would anybody call that hand??

You made the right play here. I would have also folded in this spot with that extra nugget of information. It's a bitter fold to make but Villain pretty much always has the nuts here and you're a massive dog (20% to win) going to the river.

Great play and welcome back to poker.

I don't think this is even close to a fold. No hand has you dead and I'm very doubtful he's over bet shoving the nuts here OTT. I think his range is wider than most people are assigning him.
TT, QT, KT, KJ, and KQ are all possible. QQ is discounted and obviously the fact that there's only 1 K left sucks. AJ and J9 are both in his range and I think J9 is a much more likely hand for him to be raising a rainbow flop with. Call and use your 1 time to pair the board if he has the straight.

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I have to agree, due to the board texture and all of the information we have, this is a call, a reluctant one though. It's overall a tough spot but your hand has outs even to his nut hands. Due to his ranges and his massive bet I still believe this is a call. And I'm definitely not paying 100$ to see a card from his hand.


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Not too thrilled but I call here, when he shoves I think he has sets, 2p maybe, sometimes straight and still you'll have equity against that.