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Old 06-04-2012, 04:09 PM   #1
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2/5 - Weak draw versus likely FD

I posted this in the chat thread and figured I would air out my dirty laundry so we can contain the discussion out of there. I recognize this is pretty spewy but figured I would put it out there.

Villain is a 50 year old overweight woman who is either a nurse or a doctor. She works in a hospital and makes good money is all I know and she loves poker and plays a very aggressive non standard game. We have kind of a weird history together and it is as follows:

The first time we ever played together I sat down and a few people were straddling and two other guys refused and I said "I'm gambling with my rent money here!" and she berated me for hours for being some poor kid with no money. This hand occurred:

I raise pf with T9s over a few limpers and like 5 people calls. The flop is JT9hh and it checks to me, I bet 1/2 pot and it folds to her in the sb and she jams, folds to me and I tank fold and she shows 62hh and then lays into me again. After a few hours I take a lot of money from her and the next session she apologizes and starts treating me with a lot of respect.

A few sessions later we are like 4 handed I have JJ and raise pf, she calls with K8. Flop is 593 with a single . I bet she calls. Turn is the 4 I bet she raises I call. River is a 5, I check she bets 200 into like 450 or so and I snap call.

This session I have 3-bet her like 4x and she has folded every time. One time she limp/called a raise in a straddled pot (pot was like 110 on the flop) she donks out 60 on a T64 board, I raise to 200 with A8 and she folds.

The primary issue here is that she views me as a very aggressive tight player. She thinks my range here is very very strong and is never calling with a naked FD (even the nut FD) and really is never calling with a non nut flush draw because she knows I can ship the nut FD here. Basically I don't think she ever has a big made hand here other than maybe 55/T9 and she should give me a ton of respect.

I think she is open raising all the big suited broadway cards except AKdd because she has been complaining all session about how it never hits and she has limped it a few times.

So here is the scenario:

Effective stacks are ~650
Hero has 87
Villain open limps in LP
Hero raises to 25
Villain calls

Flop is T95
Villain checks
Hero bets 30
Villain ch/r to 130
Hero ships it
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:17 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 - Weak draw versus likely FD

I think it's very optimistic to think that she'd fold a nfd. People just don't fold those even if they aren't getting the right odds.
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:18 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 - Weak draw versus likely FD

Yeah I realize I had high hopes in the hand I'm not going to sit here and justify what I did because I don't think it was a good play but I did it anyway.

I'm sure you never spew though!

A better question: given our reads what is the best way to play with what range of hands?

As in what hands should we flat with and what hands should we jam with?
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:27 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5 - Weak draw versus likely FD

I didn't say I never spew, but that's not what this thread is about is it?

I'd just fold the flop, because you only have 6 clean outs, and the J gives you a non-nut straight which either might not be good (very rare) or might lose on the river when another straight card comes off (more common). Given all this you just don't have that many wins.

If you had QJ I would call because then all your straight cards are clean, and you have two overs.
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:29 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 - Weak draw versus likely FD

I was just joking about the spew comment.

I'm assuming you call and fold a turn diamond?

I guess I am curious what your turn/river plan is.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:31 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 - Weak draw versus likely FD

Based on your history vs. her, I think she may view you differently than a very aggressive tight player. Obviously, she initially viewed you as scared money and she her perception of you has evolved to respect you more and view you as more aggressive. Yet, with your recent history, she may likely think of you as making many moves or not giving her credit. She may be playing with a bit of a chip on her shoulder now. I think your fold equity here is less than you may initially estimate. She also doesn't seem too competent, her c/r here seems weird considering her open limp from LP, she shouldn't have many strong hands.
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