vs laggy spew type, check back flop and avoid this confusion. As played i probably fold. This flop hits our range and he makes a huge raise ---possibly into the jaws of death. I give him credit unless i have seen uber huge spews from him postflop with draws. (And even then its iffy in this spot)



There is one rule for low limit holdem that most overlook every day they play, and that is "when routine players even loosey ones start putting in huge amts of dough into pots---they simply have it". Forget the bluffiness and polarization, they have it. (MOST of the time) Whether he was bluffing this time i could care less.

Trip AAA is not a range ffs...anyway I was trying to help...sorry buddy

This is gold

actually I check back the flop here a lot, including with an ace

Is that not the snapfold of the year or am I missing something here?

If he pulled some wierd bluff then NH.

Stack sizes and pot commitment is irrelevant in this scenario.

*Grunch*

Against a player capable of bluff raising or c/r a FD I'm checking back this flop 100% of the time with QQ, for obvious reasons.

AP, this is very read dependent. Given your read on villains range, I think you should call here and ship any non-heart turn, c/eval heart turns.

Playertee,
how is trip A's not a range here? Ime, I rarely find old biker guys c/ring these boards in these spots with air or flush draws, so I think he is doing it for value, which in this spot means he has trips. You can disagree with my range assessment, ok, but clearly I am putting him on a range. Again, comprehension before reply, and you'll be good to go.
Results when I wake up please

Whoever posted above, if he is quite likely to c/r air and flush draws then we need to bet, DUCY?

Dude, you would be a dude I would not care if was perma banned. So results oritented and your discussion tactics are terrible. 1/10 posts

wtf are you talking about. the guy asked what he should do with QQ in this spot. I answered that he should fold. I find it rare that opponents, of our opponent's nature, bluff in this spot. If you disagree fine, whatever.
you tried to disagree with something I said, I called you on it, you haven't tried to defend yourself. that is a YOU problem sir.
another guy said I wasn't putting him on a range, yet I clearly was, and I called him on it, again, a HIM problem.
I am listening to what people are saying, and responding. People listen to what I say, respond with some spiffy little comment, then run and hide when I call them on their BS. get over yourself yeesh.

This isn't true. Some villains will never raise with Ax here, some will raise with A9-AQ/air/FDs. It's hard to weight villains range given the limited info/reads we have on him (live pokers). Given that its hard to put him on a range, were better off bluff-catching for 2 streets on the turn and for half our stack then for 3 streets and our entire stack.

Unless villain gets super bluffy with draws and often flats TKGK type hands, It's probably a fold. It's -EV to call vs a range 5-10% air, 55-60% FDs and 30% Ax/66

Right so your read is that you think its likely for him to bluff, but you want to check because you aren't sure how likely he is to bluff. Um, k. The goal is not to preserve our stack its to win money. Half our stack or all of our stack it doesn't matter, try to maximize profit. If he is going to bluff this, might as well be our whole stack.

oh and I was not being results oriented when I said check back the flop, to whatever rando who said that. I don't see a lot of value in betting flop. If he is likely to c/r with air sure we can bet, but I think its much more likely he leads turn with air than he checkraises flop with air, therefore I am checking.

The highlight of this thread was instinct pondering what "level" our opponent was at, I got a strong dbz vibe which was cool, but then the thought of you asking someone at a table what level they were at, or better yet approaching, that was really funny but like in a hilariously sad sort of way.

You can find better spots than this. I think Ax/Axss>FD here simply because there are more combinations of Ax. Doesnt have to be suited just read your own description, hes a LAG. I really dont like making a 'hero call' here abd playing for 160bb stacks with a flush draw buster.

If we are confident in our read that villain is check raising this flop with more FDs and air that trips+ then I think this is a call with the intention of shoving the turn on all non-hearts. We'd be risking $735 to win $1085, which means we need slightly better that 40% equity to break even. If villain has equal amount FDs to trips+ we'd have ~38% equity, so we have to be pretty sure of our read. But if we are confident we'd have an informational advantage that we might as well wait to use on the turn instead of shipping the flop.

Generally if I did cbet this flop I would fold. However it sounds like you have some history with villain. I think the "old biker with a beard" is useful to use as a preliminary read if we have never played with the guy before, but once we have played with the guy we need to move past that and base our reads on how the guy has played previous hands, not on how he looks.

RESULTS:

I wanted to ship this so bad but I just felt that I would be over playing my hand by quite a bit. I tanked for a loooong time and finally called.

Turn is the 9
Villain takes like 5 seconds and ships it in

I nearly puked all over the table and folded

Right after I folded a tighter player to my left goes "I'm guessing my AQos was good there"

Then another hardcore nit goes "Wtf, how many aces are in the deck I folded A3os"

Obviously they could be ****ing with me but I'm pretty confident my read was right and that he had a FD