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06-23-2017 , 04:08 PM
7 handed. tightish straightforward reg (mostly winning) opens to 20 UTG folds to me on bb

i defend with KQ

villian knows im defending pretty wide here. i have a hand at the top of my call range buti have a high calling pre flop frequency. i sometimes defend 64o. he also kmows im competent. we discuss hands here and there

flop AT4

i check v bets 30, i call

turn 2 check check

river 3. i have nothing. i bet 65. thoughts?

Last edited by JB Clark; 06-23-2017 at 04:16 PM.
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06-23-2017 , 04:18 PM
If you're going to float, float the turn, not the river.
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06-23-2017 , 04:27 PM
Seems fine other than the part about defending 64o.


Villain ought to have no club often enough for this to be profitable, and that is assuming he calls with any club. You probably get looked up with Jc or better.
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06-23-2017 , 04:50 PM
This should get through enough of the time to be profitable. With the information at hand, it's not bad.

Don't defend 64o OOP position.
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06-23-2017 , 05:35 PM
flop call is pretty brutal here. river bet is fine.
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06-23-2017 , 05:43 PM
If I call the flop, I'm going to bet the turn and the river.
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06-23-2017 , 06:10 PM
Why are you only playing 2/5? Gotta move up!
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06-23-2017 , 06:33 PM
Flop mega spew.

River is fine ap
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06-23-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by smokesx
If you're going to float, float the turn, not the river.
I dont think you know what "float" means
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06-23-2017 , 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JB Clark
7 handed. tightish straightforward reg (mostly winning) opens to 20 UTG folds to me on bb

i defend with KQ

villian knows im defending pretty wide here. i have a hand at the top of my call range buti have a high calling pre flop frequency. i sometimes defend 64o. he also kmows im competent. we discuss hands here and there

flop AT4

i check v bets 30, i call

turn 2 check check

river 3. i have nothing. i bet 65. thoughts?
I suspect this will work enough in this spot to make a profit but in general dont get into the habit of floating OOP.
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06-23-2017 , 08:13 PM
Might be nice to have an idea of what the villain's range is for opening for 20 in this situation before starting any discussion. Without it, your play could be brilliant or insane. No way to tell.
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06-23-2017 , 08:24 PM
Not a good idea to call the flop, river bet is fine

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06-23-2017 , 08:29 PM
I wouldn't float OOP, or on an ace high flop.

If you float, bet turn scare card to set up a river bluff.
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06-23-2017 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
I wouldn't float OOP, or on an ace high flop.

If you float, bet turn scare card to set up a river bluff.
If you are betting turn and river why not check raising the turn? This line gives you a huge fold equity, if i have a good imaged i must definitly take this line, check raise the the turn and if he calls or reraises i am done with this hand

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06-23-2017 , 10:43 PM
absolutely unmistakably awful
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06-24-2017 , 03:05 AM
so... you floated OOP with a gutshot on a monotone board vs a good tight villan who knows youre playing garbage...

If you actually had Kc you wouldve C/R flop a good amount. As played i guess you wouldve checked turn bet river w a flush. I literally cant think of a single hand that would take this line but i guess Ax or low flopped flush made sense until the river bet, so i guess if i were villan id fold anything worse than an ace, so maybe you could get a fold out of rando no pairs and pcket pairs. On the other hand, you do have the nut no pair... so youd win at showdown vs some of that
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06-24-2017 , 04:28 AM
i think the line works against players who are just really really bad or dont think linearly about what you may have.

Most of the hands that VB here will generally have bet on earlier street, and anything less than those hands that still has some kind of value albeit falling closer to the bluff catcher category would probably check call as a means of defending our check range on the river (middling flush say).

So if villain is a thinking player I expect to get looked up a decent % of the time - what i cant account for is the meta/level game wherein villain knows you know all this but has already clicked "fold to any bet".
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06-25-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I dont think you know what "float" means
Sorry didn't realize we were OOP. Meant if you're going to float bet the turn, don't wait until the river but OOP ruins all that.
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06-25-2017 , 03:01 PM
i like the general approach but this board is terrible for the bluff

villian is not cbetting this particular flop with a lot of SDV. i dont think Ax bets this flop and he has to check back a ron of his hands for value and pot control

do not mind floating (almost) any flop tho because you have best hand enough of the time

any raggish board is a good one for my range

i think c/f is fine on this flop tho...this may be worst possible board to float, but quite frankly im floating 90% ish with a hand as strong as this

result:

v quick called with QJ
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06-25-2017 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by michaelfeiz
If you are betting turn and river why not check raising the turn? This line gives you a huge fold equity, if i have a good imaged i must definitly take this line, check raise the the turn and if he calls or reraises i am done with this hand

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This is why you don't float OOP. If you check turn, he's very likely to check behind when the turn brings the flush, unless he himself has the flush. Then, you head to river where he can get to showdown with his marginal hands by just calling one bet.
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06-25-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
i like the general approach but this board is terrible for the bluff

villian is not cbetting this particular flop with a lot of SDV. i dont think Ax bets this flop and he has to check back a ron of his hands for value and pot control

do not mind floating (almost) any flop tho because you have best hand enough of the time

any raggish board is a good one for my range

i think c/f is fine on this flop tho...this may be worst possible board to float, but quite frankly im floating 90% ish with a hand as strong as this

result: v quick called with QJ
What? Ax is a super standard value bet on this board texture, esp if you're floating hands as weak as KQ no club redraw on this board

I would never check any Ax on this flop, except maybe AxKc, AxQc every once in a while to let opponents hang themselves
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