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Old 05-24-2012, 05:02 PM   #1
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2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

This is my first time posting a hand so bare with me. 2/5 hand $500 max

I just want to bring up a previous hand with villain. UTG calls, 3 other people call, Villian (on button calls), BB makes it 75...Folds around to villain who calls. Flop comes A25r. BB bets 100, and Villain insta ships all in for ~500. BB calls and flips AK, while Villain flips over A2 and doubles up to ~1200. He had already reloaded multiple times, so you would get the impression hes not a solid player, doing things like bluffing all in, getting called, and then showing an absolutely terrible hand like it was a good play.

Here's the hand in question.

Hero (~800) is UTG with QQ and makes it $35. $25-30 was the standard raise at the table, but made it a little bit higher with the notion of the villain calling atc in the blind.

UTG+1 (~500) calls, Relatively new player, so no reads on him.

CO (~600) calls, Again, relatively new player so no reads.

Villain (~1200) calls in the SB.

Pot = $145

Flop AQ6

Villain leads out for $75.

Hero???
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:22 PM   #2
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

With 2 new players behind, I'd call.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:26 PM   #3
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

If I was to just call the flop it would be in hopes that a player behind me raises so donker can push and I can call all in getting 3 way action to hit my boat by the river.

Players seldom bet the nuts into a raiser on the flop, so if he does have a flush it is probably a small one. Most likely he has an ace, maybe 2 pair, maybe an ace with a big club, or maybe the king of clubs naked or with a pair. I would never put him on the nuts on the flop. Maybe on the turn, but never the flop.

I would raise here cuz I don't want to be beat by the river by one of the opponents behind me with a pair and a small club. Raising also tells me what my opponents behind me have. If they are able to call, then you might actually be up against the flush. This info may save you money on the river.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:31 PM   #4
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

This villain is a terrible player, as evidenced by calling 15% of ES with A2o in hand #1, and donking hand #2 OTF. Jack it to $215 and ship all non-club turns.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:33 PM   #5
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

Hate pre-flop sizing.

Raise/call flop I guess.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:45 PM   #6
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

Grunch: Throw in a PSR ($275-300 more) and snap call if he shoves. Shove any non-club turn if flatted.
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Old 05-24-2012, 08:32 PM   #7
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Grunch: Throw in a PSR ($275-300 more) and snap call if he shoves. Shove any non-club turn if flatted.
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never fold a set to described villain especially OTF

he could easily just have the bare king of clubs or AJo

raise and call any ship from any player

you have a set, get it in
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Old 05-25-2012, 01:47 AM   #8
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

Just raise the flop to like 250. If someone ships you call, if its flatted you shove a non club turn. If it pairs up you can re-evaluate. You should be happy to get it all in against the Villain as you described OTF with Middle set, even on that board.
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Old 05-25-2012, 02:00 AM   #9
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

We have %32 equity on the flop, getting 3:1 we are basically breaking even just calling the flop bet.

Not to mention players behind who might call with draws or aces.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:14 AM   #10
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

Raise flop for value.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:13 AM   #11
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

Ok so i am not sure why there are so many responses to jack this pot to such a high amount like $275-300...There is no reason to do so. all we do here is let this guy off the hook. I agree we need to raise for both value and to protect our equity from the other two guys drawing to a random club but i think a smaller raise, say to $200, is optimal. It should get the job done in terms of protecting our equity against the two players behind but it is also small enough to keep the spewtard in the pot with us with all his hands we dominate and well on his way to pot committment. Not to mention we will then be left with just about a PSB left and will have no problem getting all the money in.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:48 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

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a smaller raise, say to $200, is optimal. It should get the job done in terms of protecting our equity
Not so. A raise to $200 makes it $125 to call in a $420 pot. It is offering over 3-1. Any K of clubs is calling that as they are almost sure to make up the 12% equity gap if they hit and many J and T will call too if they have a pair to go with it (prob mistakenly in this case, but that's what will give the K the IOs he needs to make up for EO gap).

If one V calls, it will prob cause a chain of callers as each V gets better odds. Much better to iso the spewtard here imo, and get fat value from the other 2 Vs if they come along. I'll take the risk of ending the hand now for the opportunity of a big pay-off or having a hand with big equity against me fold.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:02 PM   #13
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

i am raising this flop bet. i want to isolate the donkey and not let 3 people draw against me. I raise to 180-200 and call if he shoves.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:29 PM   #14
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Re: 2/5 NL, Interesting spot with set

Flat call, see the turn and his next bet and reevaluate. If one of the other players shoves to his bet fold. That's just me.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:36 PM   #15
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raise to pot (370) since you are targeting V's stack. Also, call AI in V shove. Villain will probably call with something as weak as TP thinking that you are on a draw.
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