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09-02-2014 , 04:23 PM
This is my usual weekly game my image is usually very solid and shown as TAG but tonight I am getting dealt very strong hands and i am coming off as LAG. I am 3 betting my usual range and getting 3+ callers every time. I am in seat 1 and bought in for 600 and have about 1100 in front of me after about 2 hours. Villains in this hand are in the blinds and utg1 and 2.

SB is a usual TAG player who has a long history with me, we both know how each other play, and he is starting to think that I am just trying to be a table bully and raising almost every other hand.
he has a stack of about 400ish (down 200)

BB is a very aggro winning player, he also deals the big game down the hall. We got into it once tonight where i turned the nut straight, which also gave him trips and the board paired giving him quads. I lost the minimum by only calling his small value town river bet and didnt show my hand. He likes to call me light I have noticed. I think he thinks my range is pretty narrow, when lately it has gotten a little wider at this game.
he has a stack of about 1000ish (up 400)

UTG1 is a loose cannon fish with very deep pockets. Usually will lose 3-4k each time he plays here and tonight is a 600 max buy in.
he has a stack of about 800 (down 400, in for a full rebuy)

UTG2 is identical to UTG1.
he has a stack of about 600 (in for 2 buy ins and is down 600)

this game knows that UTG1 & UTG2 call preflop 99% of the time, almost every single hand. with that in mind, they will think and know that if they basically have 3:1 odds calling preflop almost every hand.

sb 2
bb 5
utg1 straddle 10
utg2 calls 10
folds to hero in late position and looks at AQ and i raise to $45
folds to sb who looks at me and says, AGAIN dude?! and throws in a call very nonchalantly
bb looks at me and says only calling bc you know whats gonna happen (meaning next 2 are never folding) and also throws in the call
utg1 auto snap calls
utg2 auto snap calls

pot is 225

flop is 28Q

everyone checks to hero...is it best to check behind here to play the role of being LAG and raising with air? or should hero always cbet here, esp with villains reactions to me raising and my image tonight?
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09-02-2014 , 04:30 PM
I lean towards betting here, especially because of your image, but I think this is a good hand/board to check since you will be checking a lot in a five way pot, and you don't want your checking range too weak.
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09-02-2014 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo
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pot is 225

flop is 28Q

everyone checks to hero...is it best to check behind here to play the role of being LAG and raising with air? or should hero always cbet here, esp with villains reactions to me raising and my image tonight?
One of the concepts I see get screwed up the most by thinking players is when they are playing "LAG" and then smash the board.

If you are perceived as a LAG (whether true or not is irrelevant) then you will get called down light. So when you smash the board, you can bet and still get called ridiculously light.

This is the beauty of when a LAG hits their hand, they get paid the F*** off!!!!

as far as checking and letting 3 villains see another card...

No. We didn't smash the board that hard. Besides, as I just mentioned, there is no point, we are LAG, we will be called down super light anyways (and by light I mean any pair and even hands like AJ or AK that can float us thinking its the best hand anyways)

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we bet and we get c/r shoved on by KQ, QJ, or even QT

So yeah, bet $100 or you can make it a call $95 for the psychological factor of staying under $100. But whatever you do, bet something and don't check this through.

Spoiler:

On a unrelated topic, I started a contest in the BQ forum open to all 2+2ers
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...ntest-1471369/
check it out
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09-02-2014 , 04:43 PM
I am never checking this flop with this many players involved. What do you do if turn is 8 and someone fires out strong OTT & OTR??? What about if a T comes OTT? Are you worried about J9?

I make a 2/3 pot sized bet OTF and go from there. No reason to mess around here.
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09-02-2014 , 05:22 PM
Dude i would bet here with 100% of my PFR raising range tbh.

But like others have said Cbet is a must
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09-02-2014 , 05:31 PM
okay so i cbet but i do it smaller than i should have. i cbet only about 1/3 pot which i think was 3 greens, again nonchalantly. sb thinks for 30 seconds and calls, bb snap calls and gives me a look like I GOT U BUDDY and to 1st fish calls, 2nd one folds.

pot is now about 575

turn A

again checks around to me....hero?
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09-02-2014 , 05:50 PM
bittersweet card, but again, with your image, very easy bet.
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09-02-2014 , 05:58 PM
Bet small
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09-02-2014 , 06:03 PM
Bet the flop 100% of the time. Bomb this river against described v's. You have a lag image and you smashed flop and turn. Take them to value town.
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09-02-2014 , 06:28 PM
Listen to DGI about flop cbet please

250-300ish turn
Shove remaining 700ish into a 1.1k pot on river.
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09-02-2014 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tucco
I lean towards betting here, especially because of your image, but I think this is a good hand/board to check since you will be checking a lot in a five way pot, and you don't want your checking range too weak.
dont think we need to worry about our x/b range in a 5 way pot too much, prob better to just bet everything except QQQ on this board at 1/3-1/2 pot. other players will be prevented to some extent from "exploiting" our weak flop x/b range ott because most players are checking their whole range to the pfr on the flop in this spot, so we are in essence protected by their strong ranges a bit (this is most true for sb and decreasingly true to utg2)-just to clarify, i dont think this is very important, but is worth noting. mostly just bet the flop bc despite the dryness of the board, our equity vs the field is more volatile in a 5 way pot than is preferable when considering checking back.
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09-02-2014 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jvds
dont think we need to worry about our x/b range in a 5 way pot too much, prob better to just bet everything except QQQ on this board at 1/3-1/2 pot. other players will be prevented to some extent from "exploiting" our weak flop x/b range ott because most players are checking their whole range to the pfr on the flop in this spot, so we are in essence protected by their strong ranges a bit (this is most true for sb and decreasingly true to utg2)-just to clarify, i dont think this is very important, but is worth noting. mostly just bet the flop bc despite the dryness of the board, our equity vs the field is more volatile in a 5 way pot than is preferable when considering checking back.
Yeah, I agree with this. By saying I would check here, I meant that is good in theory. I'm not worried about giving free cards, and I'm unlikely to get more than 2 streets against a competent player. In practice though, I would almost always bet.
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09-02-2014 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MackCorl
Listen to DGI about flop cbet please

250-300ish turn
Shove remaining 700ish into a 1.1k pot on river.
+1

You can C-bet small OTF b/c of dry board and you LAG image

On the turn you should bet 1/2 pot or maybe slightly less to keep the fish in and set yourself up to get max value from BB
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09-02-2014 , 11:10 PM
whatever you do just get as many of your chips into the pot as possible. and quickly too.
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09-03-2014 , 11:12 AM
Sick brag post.
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09-03-2014 , 11:42 AM
super dry board.......hard for anyone to have anything.

but you still have to bet here. if you don't bet, and if an 8, 9, T, J, or K peels off, you have to fold to any kind of resistance.

So I would bet 125 and try to get called by lesser queens and smaller pocket pairs.

but there is nothing wrong with taking down the 225 that is in the middle.
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09-03-2014 , 11:10 PM
i ended up betting 200 on turn and everyone ended up folding. for the next 2 hours i was asked what i had and once the game broke i kept getting asked. i told them flush draw
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09-04-2014 , 12:08 AM
3 bet size is really bad.

Needs to be $60-65 with stack sizes.

As played, betting 130ish, and calling any check/raise and turn shoves that we get. (also we're playing eff 40, 60, 80, and 100bb eff).

Edit: Read turn card. Nice turn. If lost, sick beat.

Edit2: Why tell them anything.

Edit3: You lost value on this hand.
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09-08-2014 , 10:05 AM
i mean it's not really a 3bet, it's a straddled pot.
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09-16-2014 , 04:41 PM
Agree with DGI 100%

Especially when you said utg 1 +2 are both complete fish, take them on a 1 way train to VALUE TOWN
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09-16-2014 , 11:30 PM
$125 on the flop

90% on the turn
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