So V showed up to the table about 45 minutes ago and bought in for $500. There is no real classic label that fits him so I'm going to get into a little history. He played his very 1st hand like a donk...

V limps UTG
CO raises to $20
Button calls $20
BB calls $20
V calls.

Flop ($82): AQQ
V checks.
CO bets $40
Button calls $40
BB raises to $140
V cold calls $140
Rest fold.

Turn: A

Long story short, V shows down A:7 otr and chops w/ BB who has A9 lol.

So you'd think he's a donk, but he actually proceeded to play very tight for the rest of the time. Not raising pre at all, not getting very involved in any pots really. That is, up until the very last hand where he raised pre to $15 w/ TT. Got 2 callers, flopped QT6 rainbow and bet $15 again. Both players called, then he turned a 6 and checked in position. So he played that pretty unnecessarily trappy imo.

Next hand (6 handed):
V1 (~$775) - V from above
V2 (~$1100) - Big fish who will call super wide range of hands preflop and on the flop for pretty much any bet size & overvalue top pair+ hands. However, he will tend to fold to bigger bets on later streets if weak/unimproved.
Hero (Covers) - fwiw has been getting hit with all sorts of strong pre hands shorthanded and has been very active since V1 sat down, winning a lot of small to medium pots usually w/o showdown.

V2 in CO limps.
Button limps.
Hero has A7 in SB and limps.
V1 checks the BB.

Flop ($20): K74
Hero bets $15
V1 raises to $30
V2 calls $30
Button folds
Hero 3! to $110
V1 4! to $190
V2 folds.
Hero calls.

Turn ($430): 5
Hero checks.
V1 bets $250.
Hero ?

So lots of questions here, I was definitely confused....

- What's his range when he raises to $30?
- What's his range when he 4!?
- Did we play the flop bad? If so, why?
- How do we feel about hitting an A or a 7 on the turn/river? Or the 5 otr?
- Do we have implied odds on the turn to justify a call? Will V stack off his last ~$330 if we hit the nuts?

Thanks so much to everyone who reads this and contributes

history hand #2 -- the takeaway is that he was trappy when he had a full house. Think you'll find players trap far more often when their hand is a lock rather than vulnerable (such as set on fd board)

this hand I'd rather c/r flop, you get to see what happens, you probably have more FE, if it checks through you can just take it down ott. As played I wouldn't 3b (what do you suppose V's raising range here is? Do you think he's raising K-rag, even a minraise? He probably doesn't have KQ+ which you may get him off of because he checked preflop.) When you get 4b you are probably just drawing to the flush.

The observation you should make about this villain is that he is generally pretty passive and rarely bets or raises for value. This is a pretty common trait among low stakes players. So when he raises it indicates either a really strong hand or a bluff, and the only bluff I'd expect here is exactly 65hh. I'd much rather call getting nice odds than try to get him off something.

I think on the flop if you 3b you have to do it expecting to shove his 4b. The brick turn puts you I a very tough place (and OOP) and all of your outs (except 7) are scare cards that might stop the action on the turn. I think he most likely has a set but since he didn't raise pre probably not Ak which means shove is best cause if he has k my find a fold and you are ok against any two pair (not great but ok equity). You could have him draw minated too.

Also if you have a guy who called the first raise you really should flat IMO. That means draw or set and you have nut draw 3 ways. If you raise the draw goes away and you are left getting action being pretty far behind.

His flop minraise can mean anything from TPGK to sets, unlikely to have combo draws given read. The flop 4! is much stronger and is probably weighted towards sets and 2p's.

Flop 3! is bad because you aren't even likely to fold out TPGK given the previous hand, so just call and hope to catch your outs. I probably get it in if I hit the A/7, we beat a lot of random 2p's K7, K4, 74, lose to 77 and 44, he never has KK here.

On turn, we're getting bit more than 4:1 implied odds because he's almost never c/f given his betting strength and will stack off even if the flush comes. Call turn and stack off if any of your outs come.

Tough spot.
I think if I 3! Flop I'd be looking to 5! Shove but that's cuz I'm an aggrotard. I would probably lean towards calling the 15 to keep V2 and his reverse implied odds in there in case he has FD.

As played I think you can call this and shove river hoping to get paid

Very interesting spot...

The minraise makes me think he's quite strong. Imo, the draws are unlikely, I rarelly see a minraise with a draw, people prefer to call or raise bigger. Moreover u hold blockers. I would say his range should look something like TPGK+;

His range gets only stronger, maybe something like 2pair+ now and we can almost completely discard the draws now.

When it comes to playing big draws agressively or passively OTF, I have my little mental checklist (I know it by heart it's very helpful). Here it goes:

1) Outs (the more u have the better it is to play agressively)
2) FE (same as above)
3) Will he make a big bet OTT? (the more it is likely, the better to play agressively from the flop)
4) Will he fold OTT when the draw comes in? (the more likely the better to move in from the flop)
5) Stack sizes (It's better to play agressively when stacks are not very large)
6) Position (having it allow to play more passively)

Let's go point by point in order to get a general idea of the way we should play OTF:

1) We have a lot (14) --> agressive route
2) When he 3! OTF he has a strong range and very few draws so I don't expect him to fold a lot --> passive route
3) Difficult to say, probably yes after his raise OTF --> agressive route
4) Difficult to say given the hand#1 the guy is a bit donky so we can say that he will call a fair amount of the time if he likes his hand --> passive route
5) Stack sizes are quite large --> passive route
6) We are OOP --> agressive route

OK. All this to see that's it's a very difficult decision weither we should play agressively or passively. Both are possible imo.
One thing I am almost sure is that taking a half measure like you did in the hand is not good as it will only leave you in a very difficult spot OTT, OOP, almost commited when you miss your card. So it's either bet-3!-shove or a bet(perhaps check)/call.
You should first decide what route you want to take and play everything accordingly imo.

We should feel great with an A or 7. I just made a little simulation, we have like 85% equity against his range. There are far more random 2pairs than sets (only 3 or 4 sets combos vs. 21 twopair combos) in his range. Same with the 5h.

I think that after putting so much money he won't fold often for his last $330, he'll be just commited to call whatever his hand is.
Now let's say you will take his last $330 like only 60% of the time when you hit, so basically you have to pay $250 to take $880 ($680 + 60%*$330) that's 3.5-to-1, you need 22% equity. You have more than that (like 30%) against his range.
So it's a call.

On the flop, a bad player min raised you twice. He has a set.
Given description of V, I like just calling his first min raise OTF and seeing the turn, probably fold if you miss and he barrels. OOP and in a limped pot, there's no reason to get overly aggressive here. I do like the lead though. Just when you get raised, it's time to slow down, not 4!
As played, have to call the turn bet and barrel any card that helps your hand, fold any blank. The pot got too big to fold.

Preface: I am responding before reading any other replies. I am also wildly mediocre and have far less experience than most other people here.

You describe the villain as "tight" and "trappy" but I see him calling with weak hands and not playing aggressively when he has a monster. This isn't a signal of a strong player.

In any case, I don't see this as someone who has NOTHING. He has something. Even if he is tight and passive and has no idea how to value his hands, his re-raise signifies that he believes he has something. Your description of his previous play does not scream "guy who will bluff."

As to your specific questions

1: His range is a little hard to answer, given his early limp. He has shown to raise pre with decent PP, and willingness to limp with AXo. Maybe he limps with KXo or KXs? Given his willingness to weakly play a strong hand, and check call an AXo, I think we have to assume he has SOMETHING. At least a KXo, 77, or 44 seems most likely. I imagine he'd have raised with AA/AK,

2: 4! ? ****. Despite assuming in 1 that AA or AK would have been raises, this guy doesn't feel like a fourbet kind of guy. He likes his hand. A lot. I think we have to put him on AA/KK/77/44. MAYBE we include K7/K4s. MAYBE.

3: I can't say you played the flop "bad." I probably would have check/called it, see what sort of odds I get to call, and make a simple math problem out of it. Leading gives the possibility of throwing money out there for no reason, such as this case. Definitely I would not have raised the second time.

4: As played, an A turn would have been good but not great. Initially you may think "hey, he probably doesn't have AK, since he would have raised that!" Great point, I agree! But the action on the flop was before the hypothetical A came. So we have to be seriously concerned with sets. Frankly I don't even want to be in the position to make this decision, but I am a lilly livered coward.

5: This is a tougher decision. V has showed he will call down (relatively) light. But even the fishiest player can get spooked by a third card of a suit. Personally I would not have proceeded past the flop, so I'm not sure my opinion is useful here.

My first post was before reading any following posts.

I mostly agree with this post. You got yourself into a ****ty spot, but once there you probably have to see it through.

Lol at check calling flop. We have a hand with huge equity and we need to build the pot. I don't like flop 3! though. It is difficult to range villain as he is min raising which is not entirely protection. With the turn sizing v clearly likes his hand.

Finally, if you call and make the flush v is never folding

don't like the 3 bet at all here. Call raise, check/call 100% of turns, (his past sizing indicates it wont be huge) lead flush/trip rivers, c/c 2 pairs, check/fold unimproved.

No reason to blow this pot up in this spot vs the dude imo.

I'd give him 77,44, slow played KK, 5h6h, and discounted (heavily) 8h6h, K4s,K7s. I don't think this guy has anything other than monsters here. even if he's blowing up w/ a horribly played AK, he's got you in bad shape.

I would add 74 to Vs range. This hand is a limped pot and V got a free flop from the BB. V could have flopped bottom 2 and put H on top pair or draw. Bottom two would play the hand this way too. When you add 74 to Vs range, it might mean hitting a seven is bad but that an ace is gold. But if against a set, a seven is bad anyway. As played, I still think V has a set, but if I was running poker tracker and ranges, I would include all combos of 74 in Vs range.

this guy raised the absolute minimum not close to it. he's more aware then you think. dude has a set here like always.

call turn if you hit draw ship, he won't fold.

Lots of really good posts here, really helped me think through the hand more clearly. Sorry it's taken me a while to get back - been crazy busy.

I think the main mistake I made in this hand is the 3! on the flop. You guys gave me some good reasons as to why and I agree. I made it because I kind of leveled myself into thinking that V's range was weighted a lot towards Kx here because of my image - in hindsight I don't think my image was ever going to have any effect on his play. I also wanted to bloat the pot for the other V in the hand who would call w/ any flush draw and go broke if we hit which is kind of a meh idea really.

I really wasn't expecting V to 4!. For those saying I should 3! with the intention of 5! I pretty much agree. However, V MIN 4! which imo left stack sizes a little too deep to just get it in. I figured after the 4! that he really liked this hand and was pretty much never going to fold no matter what came out on the board, so there was no harm in calling and playing fit or fold poker from here on out. Plus he's given me the correct immediate odds to bink the turn, even vs. a set.