Situation....Fish #1(Villain) has recently been stacked 2 times in 2 hours. Playing many hands and tilting. I have a tight-ish image, and am otherwise unknown to the players. Fish #2 is loose-weak/passive Effective stacks $400

The winning pros ahead of me fold, and I'm in MP w/ weak players behind me

Hero Raise MP $20 with T9
F1 Call in HJ, F2 Call in BB

Pot ($60)...864

Decision point 1: This should be a check, right? My rationale was that I would c-bet and give up against F1 if I missed (given his stickiness), but would have the opportunity to get a ton of value if I improved and stack-him w/ a straight, so i wanted the chance to build a pot. If I could get past F1, I could likely barrel F2 on most runouts, as I've seen him calling marginally on the flop and folding against further aggression when he doesn't improve.

Checks to me, I bet $45, F1 clicks back to $90 (leaving ~$300 behind, F2 folds)...

I may consider shoving, but my read was that he was in fatalistic, subconciously wanting to lose his money megatilt, so I think I have no fold equity. And now that I've backed myself into a corner by making what seems to be a bad c-bet, I have to call for the implied odds.

Turn 2...check to F1 bets $200, and I fold.

Was there any merit to my give-up or improve against F1, barrel F2 c-bet rationale or is this a clear check?

We can probably cBet smaller on this board if we do.
But I might just check it.

We are getting folds on this board from two loose fish ~never.

the tough thing about tilting fish is that you can't really range them because they are all over the place. and many times, they don't know where they are.

nothing wrong with that C-bet on that board. you have enough equity to make that play.

for the price that V was giving you with that click back, calling is the correct play. but gotta muck it when the turn bricks.

With a bunch of loose passives behind, I probably fold T9s or limp it.

On the flop, I usually like betting two overs with a GS, but this is generally a very bad board to c-bet in a 3-way pot. Smashes the range of the limp callers, and hands like 98 or T8 can put us in a very bad spot when we hit our overs. I check/evaluate here.

Seat change so that the good players are behind you and the weak players are on your right.

Make sure to mention how cold your seat is and that you need to change things up.

$15 pre with this hand bc we're gonna have T high alot and need to some room to do some things. Also when we x/f we lose 3bbs instead of 4bbs.

A two tone board completely changes your equity. This is a big plo concept that no one live gets which is what makes plo so profitable. But basically if that board was rainbow Id bomb/bomb/bomb but with hearts out and not even a backdoor I might just check fold. If i was feeling ornery I'd bet $40 and be done.

I for one would love to hear additional thoughts from Avaritia on his equity concept and applications to NL and PLO.

Heh basically people don't consider their overall equity at all. And flush draws on a board kill a bare hands equity.

In a nutshell people in live plo don't fold. I mean at all. You've got 7-10 way pots every hand.

Similar to nl, in a game where people don't fold, you need to have what will often be the winning hand at showdown. (again a simple concept people don't realize) This is why it is ok and correct to be tight ABC and bet loads with your value and to basically never bluff.

Back to plo, people greatly overvalue a hand like 79TJ on

864

They think they need any 5/7/9/T but what they actually need is a non 5/7/9/T which equates to 3+2+2+2 or 9 outs which isn't alot of outs in plo. Further complicating things, you are often getting freerolled by a similar hand with either a set, 2pr, hearts, or diamonds. So like 679T or 7889 or A79T etc etc the list is huge obv and since every hand is ten ways people have your draws covered one way or another at all times.

This is where the real money is made in live plo, selecting hands appropriately preflop and overnutting people post.

Going back to nl, plo just really helps you think about these spots because you start truly thinking about turns in a much better way. For example in OPs hand an 864 flop would be much better because we have all the turns that we can barrel. An 864 flop would be best because we have more fold equity (less draws call otf) more nut making turns/rivers, and again more turns we can barrel.