Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > No Limit Hold'em > Live Low-stakes NL

Notices

Live Low-stakes NL Discussion of up to 3/5 live no-limit, pot-limit and spread-limit Texas Hold'em poker games, situations and strategies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-03-2012, 08:01 AM   #1
veteran
 
The Detonator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,221
2/5 mega draw awkward spot

Stacks are
Hero $900
Villain Covers easy
Caller has $250
SB $600

Caller is passive/weak. Had flatted aces preflop with no real plan IMO. Hadn't gotten out of line ever and been quiet

Villain is pretty passive preflop but likes to play lots of connecting/suited cards, often limping but has increased his aggro factor a touch over the last hour. He usually has it when he fires up so far

SB is a whale who can hold and bet anything

Hero BB is dealt T 3

4 limpers including SB, hero checks

Flop: T 9 J
SB leads $20, Hero raises to $50, UTG pauses for 20 and calls, Villian raises to $150, SB snap folds

Hero?

We have small pot history together but nothing major or influencing
The Detonator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 08:21 AM   #2
banned
 
1ns71nct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,418
Grunch:I like the raise OTF, now that we are raised again it is a sucky spot.

100:270


We are playing the hand OOP, if he has a straight we are drawing to 9 outs, that is if other villain is not drawing either. Now if villain is raising out with the ace high flush you are dead on the flush and you are not in a spot to call off wih third pair.

I think even with implied odds you are at best drawing to 9 outs but more likely 5-7 outs. Essentially you will be playing the hand blind if you do hit.

Looks to be a clear fold.
1ns71nct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 08:40 AM   #3
veteran
 
Nogyong's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: London
Posts: 2,170
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

Fold.

This is a clear fold with these stack sizes and such a coordinated board. I also prefer a call and not a raise on the flop.

Pair + a flush draw is a monster when:

its a raised pot and we're likely to be facing an overpair
our kicker is an overcard to the board

I don't think villain is fooling around here. He has a hand with good equity. We're flipping at best, made str8s crush us and this is not a spot where I want to play for stacks.
Nogyong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 08:55 AM   #4
centurion
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 184
I'm in the call line of thinking here as well. Yes we flopped a ton of equity. However, we will only get action from a range that does very well vs our hand. If there was a raise pf and you somehow saw this flop there might be more merit to raising flop.

I feel like you fell into some lazy thinking here where too many players go "damn...nice flop for my hand, I need to raise here". You made a raise obviously with no plan as to what to do when played back at which I think should be the focal point of this hand.

I think it's a call on flop and if you have a player specific reason to raise it should result in a raise get it in line. Even then I still think when you take that line you will be behind almost always when called.
EpicWon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 09:11 AM   #5
adept
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Tunica
Posts: 1,043
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

Grunch...

If we are up against a made straight, then we don't have enough equity to call this profitably. Given your description of villain, I don't think we can add much more to his range at this point. Perhaps something like AJ, but then we would need to a weighed calculation and I still don't think the equity is there, especially considering are T high flush draw and he may have a redraw if he has Ad and diamond comes on the turn.

I think it is a fold.
Tim Brice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 09:25 AM   #6
journeyman
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 226
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

you could be up against a higher FD and 2 pair+ given how the action went down. easy fold.
RM518 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 10:22 AM   #7
banned
 
1ns71nct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,418
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Brice View Post
Grunch...

If we are up against a made straight, then we don't have enough equity to call this profitably. Given your description of villain, I don't think we can add much more to his range at this point. Perhaps something like AJ, but then we would need to a weighed calculation and I still don't think the equity is there, especially considering are T high flush draw and he may have a redraw if he has Ad and diamond comes on the turn.

I think it is a fold.
Actually if it was just the straight we call here
1ns71nct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 10:52 AM   #8
banned
 
1ns71nct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,418
Why do you think flatting here is correct, we have a decently strong hand, the whale led into us. We should essentially isolate
1ns71nct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 12:07 PM   #9
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 399
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

You have a strong drawing hand...figure it out.
fuxxnuts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 12:07 PM   #10
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 399
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

But your right, just shovel it in now. See how you do.
fuxxnuts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 12:19 PM   #11
banned
 
1ns71nct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,418
Quote:
Originally Posted by fuxxnuts View Post
But your right, just shovel it in now. See how you do.
Great post, keep it up.
1ns71nct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 12:36 PM   #12
whb
centurion
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 107
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

We raise and then we get re-raised should be setting off alarm bells, especially on a limped pot, its not like we have the flopped nuts or drawing to the nuts. Just fold it off and wait for better spot, right?
whb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 01:00 PM   #13
newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 39
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

Fold, ur drawing dead to the flush, worst case scenario for the other guy is Top 2 pair?
carranzapz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 01:03 PM   #14
adept
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Tunica
Posts: 1,043
Re: 2/5 mega draw awkward spot

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ns71nct View Post
Actually if it was just the straight we call here
I see now. I sometimes make the mistake of doing 150 / 250 instead of 150 / 250 + 150. That is pretty elementary mistake that I need to work on.
Tim Brice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2012, 01:06 PM   #15
banned
 
1ns71nct's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,418
Well no, youwouldbe calling with 100 to.win 270, so 2.7 to 1

flush outs 9

Equity 36% *2.7+Implied odds
1ns71nct is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive