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Old 02-09-2012, 03:16 AM   #1
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2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

Villain: UTG +1: very solid player. Usually plays bigger but is a winning player in bigger games. Plays very LAG and spewy at these stakes, but still a high level thinking player. Will limp just about any two cards. Was probably raising his button 90% of the time when limped to. When he opened pots it was very likely to eliminate KXs / QXs / JXs but would still come in for raises with small suited connectors and gappers as well as any pair or suited ace. His preflop tendencies became very predictable after being in game for ~5k at this point. He also was never folding to 3 bets. His post flop play was an easy tell on his level of thinking and abilities. History with villain was minimal with only one other session together, and him being 3 to my left for that session. Now he was directly on my right.

Hero UTG +2: playing pretty TAG. Making very good decisions which has been evident to table. Has shown the ability to call down light, but also had been balancing my lines very well and rarely got looked up when bluffing. I'm new to this game of long time friends and earned their respect the week before and was viewed accordingly. 3bet frequency was very low on this session up until this point. I hardly came across many good spots to 3bet any players but in the previous session many of these players saw my ability and willingness to 3bet light.

Effective stacks are about 260bbs ($1300) hero has villain slightly covered
Hero dealt AQ
BTN straddle $20
SB folds
BB folds
UTG folds
UTG+1 raises to $80
Hero raises to $180
Folds around to Villain who calls

Flop 74x2x

Villain checks
Hero ?

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Old 02-09-2012, 08:54 AM   #2
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

villain sounds like a pretty big fish.

we have good sd value. check flop and look to call down on lots of run outs vs a guy playing like how you are describing
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Old 02-09-2012, 08:58 AM   #3
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

Exactly my thinking flop checks thru

Turn: 2

Villain checks
Hero bets 250
Villain raises to 800

Is it spewy to be stacking off here? Villain is only player at table who only runs once. I would have ~200 left behind. Is just calling here acceptable? Or no reason to put the 800 in without going all the way.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:55 AM   #4
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

The turn bet is poor, you have 0 FE against this villian and are an underdog to any pair. After his raise the pot contains 1440 and it's 550 to call. That's only odds of 2.6-1. Even if we are drawing live to both of our overcards (vs a hand like 66, for example) we're still a 2.5-1 dog. So only under the most optimistic scenario are you getting the odds you need to call here. There's absolutely no way you can count on all your outs being clean here. If you had checked the turn you might have been able to call a reasonable bet from this villian, because he'd probably pay off your flush if you got there on the river. By leading a weak draw into a player who's almost never folding you've manuevered yourself into a spot where you have to abandon whatever equity you had in the pot (if you had any at all - he may have a boat already OTT) and must now fold.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:34 AM   #5
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

If your thinking on the flop was to check because you have good showdown value and your villain might bluff later in the hand, what changed that made you bet the turn? Nothing better is folding and villain is capable of putting you in a disgusting spot, as he did here.

As played I think I would fold.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:37 AM   #6
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

At this point of the hand I feel I am way ahead of his range. Especially with the line I took. Preflop I can eliminate QQ+ and AK as he would 4bet without fail. OTF the checks really eliminate nothing. After I check behind I believe in his mind my AK/AQ is turned face up. When he checks the turn I feel any pair can be eliminated, as he would lead 7x/A4/33+ to avoid giving me another free card. When he c/r, especially the sizing I can eliminate 77/A2/44. He knows I'm capable of bluffing any river so I don't see him even raising a non-made pair hand.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:39 AM   #7
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

Or am I just crazy for talking myself into a hero?
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:26 PM   #8
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

Teets: why didn't you bet the flop and represent an over pair and put the pressure on him on the flop. There is plenty of money to be won in the pot already. Also if he does call, he will most likely check the turn to you and you can see the river for free. As played I think you have no choice but to fold on the turn to that raise.
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:19 PM   #9
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Teets: why didn't you bet the flop and represent an over pair and put the pressure on him on the flop. There is plenty of money to be won in the pot already. Also if he does call, he will most likely check the turn to you and you can see the river for free. As played I think you have no choice but to fold on the turn to that raise.
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:00 PM   #10
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Or am I just crazy for talking myself into a hero?
I am really struggling to put your villain on a range after his turn check raise. You describe him as being solid, yet his play indicates he is a terrible spew monkey. He is already down like 10 buyins. Does he usually play something like 25-50 and this money means nothing to him? I guess if so then calling isn't terrible. I don't think checking the flop is bad, though I would prefer a c-bet. But after deciding to check the flop I much prefer checking back on this turn card.
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:25 PM   #11
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

I was in the game so let me give a different opinion then hero in the hand. This is not your typical 2/5 game. Villain was in for 2.5k and rebought that amount. A very standard raise in the game is 80, there is almost always a straddle of 20 if not more. I would say this game plays like a 5/10 if not bigger which can make stack sizes akward. The villain normally does play 25/50 and up and is there just to hang out with friends.

As far as not betting the flop, if hero bets flop he has to fold to almost all raises, check here is fine IMO

Turn bet puts you in a gay spot have to shove with 15 outs a best and prolly closer to 8. I check call and reevaluate river.

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Old 02-09-2012, 02:29 PM   #12
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

Villian is not the type to call down. He puts max pressure at all times. He is not simply calling a flop bet here on that board against the type of hand teets is repping with a bet.
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

Villian has Seven Deuce off...
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Old 02-09-2012, 09:22 PM   #14
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

I think 3-betting AQd in second position might be overly ambitious, but I guess I don't hate it, even though I'd prefer a call.

As played, I'm not sure. I guess I'd most likely bet 225. If he's never folding to 3-bets, I think you're slightly ahead of his range. Maybe you take a free card and see what happens.

I don't know. This one baffles me. I think you'll put less stress on yourself in general if you don't 3-bet for 36 big blinds preflop with AQd and seven players yet to act in the hand.
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Re: 2/5 Live 250 bbs deep. AQ in 3 bet pot

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Turn bet puts you in a gay spot have to shove with 15 outs a best and prolly closer to 8. I check call and reevaluate river.
Puts you in a what?
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