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2/5 limp-call 33 from EP 2/5 limp-call 33 from EP

05-03-2010 , 08:55 PM
2/5 live 9 handed.

I limped UTG+1 with 33 (950 behind)
Villan in MP rasies to 20. (600 behind)
Button calls. (500 behind)
SB and BB call
I call.

MP bet draws/calls raises chasing draws even if he was really priced out.

Button was pretty bad, loose calling station that had busted twice in the 2 hrs I was at the table.

Flop was As9s3s
SB checks, BB checks, I check, MP bets 80, Button calls, SB/BB fold, I call.

Turn is a 7d. I check, MP leads for 150, Button calls, I call

River is a 8h. I check, MP bets 250, Button folds, Hero?

Initially I didn't take the lead for pot control reasons. Both of these players would call with any decent spade or could have already flopped it, and I had already seen MP call a CRAI with a fd against a set earlier. Felt pretty gross to fold river when he could have AxKs and getting 4 to 1 on a call.

Thaughts?
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05-03-2010 , 09:09 PM
Since he only has about $100 left in his stack, make him put it in.
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05-03-2010 , 10:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anzio
2/5 live 9 handed.

I limped UTG+1 with 33 (950 behind)
Villan in MP rasies to 20. (600 behind)
Button calls. (500 behind)
SB and BB call
I call.

MP bet draws/calls raises chasing draws even if he was really priced out.

Button was pretty bad, loose calling station that had busted twice in the 2 hrs I was at the table.

Flop was As9s3s
SB checks, BB checks, I check, MP bets 80, Button calls, SB/BB fold, I call.

Turn is a 7d. I check, MP leads for 150, Button calls, I call

River is a 8h. I check, MP bets 250, Button folds, Hero?

Initially I didn't take the lead for pot control reasons. Both of these players would call with any decent spade or could have already flopped it, and I had already seen MP call a CRAI with a fd against a set earlier. Felt pretty gross to fold river when he could have AxKs and getting 4 to 1 on a call.

Thaughts?

You should be raising the flop 100% and stacking off. U would raise to 260. Pot-control is not a good reason for just calling. Your missing value from worse hands like Kx hands and even top pair. Also, you have good equity against a made flush with a lot of money in the pot.

If you've seen MP CRAI with a FD, even more reason to fist pump stack off with your set. By calling, you've missed value, pretty much let someone draw for cheaper, and put yourself in a bad spot.
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05-03-2010 , 10:18 PM
If you get set over set or flush vs. set...it's a cooler and you just got unlucky imo.
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05-03-2010 , 10:38 PM
Im gonna repop it on the flop to protect my hand and get it HU if possible. If not im CERTAINLY raising tthe turn. Even if you get the stacks in on the flop and he flopped the flush, you have redraws to a full house. Im putting mp on AJ - AK with 1 club . I think he has that range enough to play for stacks
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05-04-2010 , 01:01 AM
First off - what was the table like? In a very aggressive game (these are my fav. generally) I will sometimes be folding here, because I cannot take the heat of a 10x raise. Ofc. limping is standard and fine in almost any game even aggressive ones. You want to lead the flop here for pot, but given that you didn't check raising is good. As you said, MP loves to call for draws, so build a big pot on the flop and get it in on the turn if the board doesn't pair and the spade doesn't come. If someone flopped a flush, you lose a lot of money. Big deal.
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05-04-2010 , 10:27 AM
Hmm, this is a tough one. I'm having trouble putting MP on a hand. It would help to know what his pfr tendencies are, as your typical 2/5 player isn't raising with many hands that flop a flush. KQss/KJss, maybe QJss/JTss are about it, unless he's a LAG in which case his range could be much wider and include lower SC's. If he did flop a flush I don't think he would bet pot on the flop, I'd imagine he would check or bet half pot or something. In summary, I don't think he has a flush.

Another possible hand is AxKs. I could see him playing this hand like he did, at least preflop, flop, and turn. The river bet is interesting though, as he's essentially turning his hand into a bluff. After you call the flop and turn he has to at least be somewhat concerned you have 2 pair, a set, or a baby flush. I think a lot of players would check here and hope you check behind.

The last possibility is AA or 99. In all honesty I think these hands are most consistent with his line. Having said that, you only have to call 250 to win a 1000 dollar pot so I'm calling here as I think he has AK enough of the time to make it worthwhile.
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05-04-2010 , 10:37 AM
Meh flops pretty bad...

c/r > lead > c/c imo

c/r flop to 220, and get it all in vrs AxKs
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05-04-2010 , 10:41 AM
I would raise flop, as played just flat the river?
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05-04-2010 , 12:45 PM
the fact that you've seen him call the CRAI with a FD makes this an auto flop raise, or lead, or anything to get monies in the middle.
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05-04-2010 , 01:39 PM
Fallsview: the table wasn't aggro by any means, more standard than anything.

Tom: as far as pfr I had only seen him raise two hands that made it to showdown, QQ/AKo and his bet sizing was 20 both times so.

Thanks for all the replies, I was really interested to read how others would have played this hand in this situation, considering you're either way ahead or way behind here. I guess the general concencus is to C/R flop and play for stacks there or on the turn; anything but check call against this type of villain . My read on his hand as it was playing out was that he had flopped a small flush and was betting hard to protect it on the flop/turn, with the river being a vb; or he had AxKs and was repping a vb on river.

I called. He tabled JsTs, fml.

Last edited by Anzio; 05-04-2010 at 01:47 PM.
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