2/5 - 500 max

hero has been at table for about an hour or about 3 orbits.

Villian (500) - has been involved in about 8 hands. Raised about 4 and limped about 4. Only saw him showdown 1 hand which was AJ for TPTK on a prettty wet board HU. Looks like a TAG but playing as many hands OOP as IP. Don't really consider V as a very good player at this point. Appears to be somewhat standard 2/5 player. Has yet to 3!

Hero (325) - TAG style - has been involved in about 4 hands - no show downs and has yet to drag a pot

the hand
hero opens for 25 UTG+1 with AK
HJ calls and V in CO 3! to 65

I though 65 was a smallish 3! especially with 2 already in for 25 and 3 yet to act. I took this to mean 1 of 2 things. 1) AA 2) not fluent in 3!ing or how to play TT or JJ
At this point with the limited knowledge i have I put V on TT+, AK with an emphasis on AA because of the size of his 3!

hero calls and HJ folds - Hu to the flop
>>>>> how many prefer a 4! here. I thought only KK or AA would call/shove at that point and since I tilted his range a bit heavier on AA because of his 3! sizing, I did not want to consider folding yet.

flop: 249 (160)

hero??

effective stack 260 pot 160
1) ck/shove (if checked behind (not likely) it would make for an interesting turn action of turn bricks)
2) ck/fold (I hate this one as I have a fair amount of equity)
3) bet and shove if raised (bet size to induce raise or set good odds)
4) shove - I not a big fan of shoving as it would fold most of the hands I am ahead of

if V has AA - hero is ~ 2:1 dog (9 outs)
if V has KK - its a flip (12 outs)
if V has QQ- hero is a favorite (15 outs)
if V has AK - hero is big fav on a FR

please comment on PF anf flop action with bet size reasoning please

SPR of 3 or higher = CRAI
SPR of 1.5 or lower = open shove
With an SPR of 2 I think bet/call $150 is best.

Starting the hand with 65bb I don't mind shoving it in PF. Calling is not horrible since his 3 bet is relatively small. I don't think you have enough info to make too many assumptions at this point though.
If you shoved I'd expect most people to call wider than with only AA and KK.
QQ, JJ, and AK probably call as well. Maybe TT.

On the flop, I'd say the best play is CRAI. C/F, B/F are out of the question. I think CRAI gives you best risk to reward. Since he's betting this flop with his entire range you get the most money in with a weaker part of his range + you allow him to potentially make a mistake since the last decision is on him. You have good equity unless he has exactly AA.

I think you played it good soo far..was 5 bb PF raise a standard on table?? I would had bet more maybe 8 bbjust to better build up SPR for future streets..Now villains raise is definitely suggestive of JJ+...although I think it is kk+ 80% of the time but as you have less info on his 3 -betting you should put him on a wider range...he is betting low because he wants both of you in and also bloat the pot...so I think 4-betting here would be bad as you said only the hands that have you dominated will call you..now as for commitment, you started short stacked and already have put in 1/6 th of your stack in..if you and villain were deep i would had played it passively by check/calling flop and turn to see if you hit..however as we are not deep and this is a relatively good flop for us i might just open shove hoping for my outs..I think if you check here villain is definitly betting and that would mean you either give up or shove on top which wouldnt be much for him to call then..there is a very little chance that he will check behind with the range we are assigning him..I dont think you can just call as you have hit nothing as of yet and are just on a draw..this is a sucky spot but I guess you have to take it being short stacked..

now as i read this..I completely agree and yes you can CRAI..but I dont think you can fold anytime now..

So let me get this straight. You took his 3bet sizing with no sample to heavily tilt his range towards AA. You still believe TT+/AK is the overall range. Can you please explain how these conclusions lead you to want to call to play this hand OOP??

I think this is a super standard ship preflop with these stacks. Next best option is to fold if somehow you think AA is a lot of his range, which I don't think you have even close to enough info to conclude. Calling is the worst IMO.

Speaking of stacks, why are you playing with 65bbs?

Postflop you have your dream flop short of a flopped flush/straight/quads. Check/ship flop. If checked through, ship turn on a blank. You have 15 outs vs. QQ-. You can get him off a chop. I think he bets this board with AA on the flop most of the time, so his range will be weaker if the flop is checked through.

#1 No. The last time I was in a similar situation I CRAI and folded the other AK out. I kind of liked the free roll idea I missed out on. I don't think there is much FE here except against AK. Is he really going to fold a big pair to an all in bet? So CRAI, while I do it often, does not fit to this situation IMO.

#2. No. Never folding here.

#3. Yes, I free roll against AK and am in good shape vs. everything except AA from an investment to odds standpoint. Bet $100.

#4. Don't like shove because it folds out AK. Maybe I can get some value and spike a heart.

Next time raise again pre flop.

Such imp part of the hand I ignored..Very well said..basically by calling PF here we are kinda hoping for either an A or flopped flush or one card to flush kinda situations, I think if were deep I would had called because of the small raise and chances of 3rd guy calling, but as we are shallow I might even find a fold here PF..some will argue for shoving PF but IMO as we havent seen villain's 3-betting range and his low frequency so far in doing soo I may just fold..

I would definitely CRAI. Raiser is going to C-Bet a good percentage here, and you still have some fold equity for when you shove. As stated above, you have very good odds against all of his range except AA. You have to get it all-in here.

This is a 4bet or fold pre. Calling is really really poor.

Chk/shove this flop.

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table std was 25 (5BB).
My only concern with CRAI is:
Is V is bad (or good) enough to check behind. My stack is short enough where he does not need 3 streets to get it all in. If he puts me on AK (most 2/5 players put opponents on AK (lol) way to often) and IF he has AA or KK he may check behind hoping I would lead out OTT, et, et. TT-QQ would have to bet this flop but KK AA (or AK) can check behind.
I did state that I tilted his range heavier toward AA/KK because of his weak 3!

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With FD out there and he can have neither the A nor K of it, nah, he is betting.

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With FD out there and he can have neither the A nor K of it, nah, he is betting.

Preflop: Well you know he doesn't 3bet with AJ so its unlikely he 3bet you with AQ or AK. I think the only hands in his range are TT-AA. Since his 3bet is so small its likely AA,KK,QQ. So I don't think you can ever re-raise or shove, so a call is optimal.

Flop: The only hand your afraid of is AA. anything else your either a favorite or coinflip. so you want the money in. The best play to do this would be to check-raise all-in.

If he has AA then its a cooler, and you still have 9 outs to the nuts. Any other hand your happy to get all the money in.

(also its a little less likely for him to have AA or KK because you have one of each)

Good questions Setsy.
I am surprised it took this long for someone to say I should have shipped it pf. I cannot disagree, but I called anyway and agree it was a bad on my part.
I stated that I weighted V toward AA not heavily weighted because as you stated I have very little info at this point. BUT in the 2/5 games at the borg when a typical 2/5 player weak 3!s it is AA often and KK a bit less often. By shipping pf I felt that I would really polarize V;s range to AA or KK if called. Most will not call a 4! with JJ or less. Since I did not have much info to suppoert this I extended his range to TT+/AK and called instead of shipping it. In hindsight, maybe I should have folded in this spot. One of the reasons I posted this hand was to get pf comments in this spot. So far you and ANL have input here. Do you consider a fold in this spot??

As far as plying short. I bought in for the max. saw a few flops and bled off 175 in first 2+ orbits. I planned to top it off next time the button came around. I don't top off beforeto I am at least the HJ. My last BTN cost me about 80 when I raised PF and C-bet.