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12-02-2016 , 12:24 AM

Dnamik

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Couple limpers
Hero is button 78o decide to limp
BB reises 35
Mp call
Hero call

Flop Q78 rainbow
BB check
MP leads 40
Hero call (was thinking about 3 bet but decide to call)
BB 3bet 150
Hero???

BB is aggressive calling station had drinks all evening and likes too bluff
Hero starts with 560
BB starts with about 800

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12-02-2016 , 02:04 AM

The Rumor

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Sorry but you need to fold pre to the raise. This call cannot be profitable. You aren't deep enough to draw.

If BB is bluffing regularly you can't fold this. It would help a lot to have better reads though.

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12-02-2016 , 02:36 AM

djevans

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78o is not a hand you want to get involved with. It's just pure trash - fold pre - don't even bother limping in $5 it's a total spew.

If you want to play the hand, raise it yourself to $30

As played I call and see a turn. His only value hand should be QQ that beats us. We block 77 and 88 and he probably won't raise Q8 and Q7 pre which we also block. That leaves KK,AA,AQ.

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12-02-2016 , 10:33 AM

Dnamik

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Ok, yeah I understand that it's garbage, I don't know why I called maybe I was tilting little bit
But at this point I thought he is behind so
I push all in and BB call shows me QQ
Is it a mistake to push all in on flop? I though he might have QQ, AA, KK and only QQ beat me

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12-02-2016 , 10:44 AM

mikko

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Ya, raising is probably not best play. Stacks are going in. Not folding at any point after flop.

But I think he can still find a fold with alot of hands to a shove.

So I would prefer to flat flop raise, and get it in on all turns. But shoving isn't bad.

Obviously pre is realley bad.

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12-02-2016 , 10:44 AM

MikeStarr

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For the future......when the BB made it $150 on the flop its not a 3 bet. Its a raise. A 3 bet is a raise of a raise. Not a raise of a bet.

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12-02-2016 , 11:47 AM

Playbig2000

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fold pre, especially the raise. If I'm going to play 78o otb you may as well come in for a raise yourself.

I'm probably jamming the flop, but the read is a little confusing - calling stations are usually more passive than aggressive.

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12-02-2016 , 11:53 AM

djevans

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problem with jamming flop is there isn't any hands you beat that are going to call / maybe AA or KK but they should bet the flop them selves, that's why calling flop is better than jamming. You keep hands you beat in the pot.

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12-02-2016 , 12:12 PM

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by djevans

True but he is a calling station who's drunk, they don't usually fold. If we flat 150 we would have 335 left on the turn and the pot would be 445 or 550 (depending if MP called or not which is not in the post).

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12-02-2016 , 12:16 PM

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The Rumor

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BB's check/raise line is weird spew and I don't mind letting him spew on the turn since we are in position heads up

I gotta think his spew range is wider than his call range

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12-02-2016 , 02:54 PM

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Dnamik

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Mp folded
Thanks everybody for replying

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12-02-2016 , 03:29 PM

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Nice_Guy_Eddie

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I'd be tempted to raise if the two limpers often limp-fold. It's fine to limp though. Fold to the preflop raise, ainec.

I assume MP folded to the raise? I'm not sure what an aggressive calling station means.

Gii. You're only slightly behind a range of sets/AA and about 50% if you add KK/AQ. I'm not loving gii because you're practically drawing dead against sets and this is a very nutted line. Never folding though for ~110BB.

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12-02-2016 , 04:28 PM

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miajag

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Limping 78o on the button sometimes with a few limpers in front is fine. Calling 35 more is bad, though.

As played, call flop and get it in on the turn unless you get counterfeited.

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12-03-2016 , 12:46 AM

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LilTucci

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Originally Posted by Dnamik

I think calling flop, calling turn allin turn is probably better then getting it in on flop. Obviously main issue here is the preflop call but you addressed that you realize it is garbage

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12-03-2016 , 02:27 AM

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Alsi

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hero HJ/CO i dont hate preflop play even though i prefer it to be 4 way exactly.

OTF 3 and something spr. as AA/KK are in the range as well as AQs, i do not hate to gii there with this x/r, although call and gii OTT is better usually

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12-03-2016 , 02:41 AM

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johnnyBuz

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Ignoring pre which is really bad - we beat 24 combos of AQ-AA and lose to 3 combos of QQ. Keep calling him down unless the board goes runner runner pair.

That said, it's way more common to check a dry flop with top set than AQ-AA so expect to lose more often than the combos imply.

With reads - you could even nit fold the flop because raise pre -> x/r flop is such a common line with top set.

Last edited by johnnyBuz; 12-03-2016 at 02:48 AM.

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