LOL. Come play in my games. We play back at "blasters" all the time -- and call them down light, which usually pays off even more.

If I were V, I'd probably put H on a flush draw or similar on the flop, and I'd play the same way he did with a range that is behind top two. I'm in the camp that now that H has called the raise on the flop and checked the turn, she should go with her hand on this incredibly blank turn.

Then your playing right into her. If your raising back at her with worse than 2 pair.

Because although she should probably be folding Top two here. The rest of her small raising range isn't folding. And you are punting cash.

Calling down light is generally the best reaponse, and most profitable.

You are not getting her to fold better very often. Especially in this spot

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Turning KQss into a 3-bet bluff in the BB against an EP raise and an EP call is just nonsense to me.

And us being a blaster is not sound logic for a 3-bet OOP against two EP players.

So if V can beat two pair or not, he should just call down?

Almost every poster in this thread is advocating she fold the flop (or turn). If V can't beat two pair, I'd say he played it pretty well.

against a little 3x sprinkler with the original raiser's description that we have, and a caller, I wouldn't necessarily call the 3bet a bluff. But it's obviously an advanced play above recreational so definitely don't do it if it makes you nervous. You do need to know how to play postflop with air or little equity (and out of position) so yes leave that play for advanced players only.

Being results oriented then. If he decided to turn nut flush into semi bluff. You can call him my hero. But he still has huge equity, and she isn't making a huge mistake folding flop.

Seriously AcXc and JcXc are only hands she is ahead of. They both have huge equity vs her.

If villain is spazz bluffing then good for him. He is straight gambling on this flop.

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So first: lol equity preflop. this isnt an all in decision and the ROI here is massive. Second allright, lets play the equity game: youre paying $10 to win ~$32 ( there is $37 in the pot and assuimg 10%+1 BB drop), so you need 23.8% equity. so your missed 5% equity in a $42 pot is 24 cents. I contend the postflop ROI is very likely >24 cents.

I really dont know what to do on the flop, but id probably ship it. Young guy plays draws, so Axs, JJ, QJ or Jt if its in his range are all at least consideirng a 3! on the flop. AK or AA might be overplaying, and you got 4 outs against the straight. I dont know that its the right move, but thats what im probbaly doing. Seeing he bet the turn, shipping probably wouldnt have ended well, but who knows, I think calling is the worst situation

Anxiously awaiting op's response to my blaster comment, and results of the hand

Flop should just be a flat, it's not strong enough to stack off and when we get further action we dont have good equity. Flat to keep ranges wide, x/c flop and turn, probably blank rivers as well.

Ap fold to flop reraise, fold to turn bet. If you folded the winner, good for him

I would say that a 3bet on the flop or on the turn could be considered candidat for Baluga's Theorem ====> Click here for the old but excellent 2+2 forum

We have a strong suited connector - we don't have much RIO because we can fold our top pair to significant action. We're getting over 3:1 preflop. I can see folding KQo, and I would recommend it (or 3bet bluff), but not KQs.

Does everyone hate the c/r otf just because we got 3bet? If we're not c/r top two here, what are we c/r? Just sets and straights?

Leading is okay too IMO. Infact, I think it's better as they might fold strong hands like AA to a c/r but will call down if we just donk/donk/donk.

V could easily be cbetting AA/AK/KJ/QJ/JJ/club draws, etc.

Once he 3bets, we tell them thank you for announcing their hand and lay it down.

Don't see a problem with how this was played.

Too much results oriented thinking ITT.

Not sure what response you want?

I hoped to get called by AA/AK/QJ/JT/Ax flush draw/Jx flush draw, maybe KTs/QTs type hands if they are in range. I don't expect to get 3bet a ton on this board.

Again youve got 24 cents of direct equity youre afraid to fold out of position against an uncapped range that dominates you.

the way IO works isnt that only big hands affect it, especially preflop. Being wary and often losing with top pair to a similar quality hand means you are regularly on the losing end of medium sized pots, and even when you do take it down, the pots will be smaller because value bets are thin against their range. You are regularly shoveling in at least one more bet if not two with top pair. You also dont have great opportunities to win medium sized pots. Even when you flop 2 pair or trips youre scared and gotta bail agains potentially AA. Beyond that you are folding basically 100% to cbets when you hit air. Youd be much better off with a hand like 76s where you can confidently play your trips and win reasonable money vs overpairs, even though its quite likely that 76s has lower equity.

Also, im not saying "fold pre" im moreso just saying calling is very marginal and is only really EV+ based on skill differential, and as others said, the villan sounds like not the opponent youre typically trying to get money out of. Folding pre here is definitely not a leak. This hand pretty much tells the tale of the issue with facing such a tight range OOP with a dominated hand.

3betting pre is fine aslong as you know the openers range
X/r on flop is a mistake, and the reason is you just don't ever want to get to the river with this hand (in a c/r, bet line) because if you do all you've done is narrow there range to hands which beat you.
Fold to flop3bet

I don't think you understand Balugawhale's theorem. It's for one pair hands, we have two pair.

equity != expected value

Thats my point. What im saying is, based on her equity calculation, she has $10.24 in equity in the hand, and its $10 to call, leaving 24 cents of extra equity in the hand. So if her negative EV from her IO + ROI is >24 cents, its EV- to call preflop here

Nice hand. Since you check fold turn I think its good actually

I was V in this hand and I bluffed you

I love bad bitches thats my **** problem!!! (insert cute emoji here) lol

Just curious... Did you have a read on me from somewhere else that made you 3b bluff me here, or did you just have a strong combo draw to bluff with? Feel free to drop into PMs if you want.


I'd also recommend you be a bit less obvious (chat wise) about your poker thoughts at the table, giving away free information + makes the table dynamic more serious

I can't tell if this is a troll or not. I hope not, because I love it when V stumbles on a thread like this...

I was thinking the same thing.

Of course, it's even a better/worse bluff considering the turn was actually Ad, which changes everything.

Yep. If V is bluffing, the Ad is a much, much better card for V to barrel. KQ is now junk, as all the combo draws with the J binked, AQcc got there, and the made hands that V could possibly have been overvaluing (AK or AA) got there as well.