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I must miss what you are saying.

With respect to limping (not calling, not raising), your chances to win the pot go down as the number of players increases. Yes, that is true for AA. Just look at its equity vs a single player vs playing in a family pot of 9.

Maybe it's a poor example. I'm sure I have worn it out by now.

12-25-2016 , 04:02 PM

#52

Sneaky Pete

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Problem is that you aren't here to learn.

12-25-2016 , 04:12 PM

#53

Vespidae

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete

Problem is that you aren't here to learn.

Wow. Classy.

I don't follow your point and think you don't follow mine. So you put a stick in my eye?

Nice.

12-25-2016 , 04:18 PM

#54

MikeStarr

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 7,962

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vespidae

I claimed that limping is not the most profitable strategy; rather, that raising was. Why? Because the optimal percentages for VPIP for a live game are roughly 20% and an optimal raising percentage is roughly 85%.

Ergo, the most profitable strategy is to raise, in general, when playing a hand. Limps do occur, but they are a very small percentage of hands played.

So even if you allow that one could limp, limping with a hand like 3-5s is, at a range of 40%, too far outside the norm to be played.

The consensus view is that I'm wrong. Ok.

You will never become a crusher with this mentality. Mostly Im talking about the first and third bolded paragraphs, but the 2nd to a lesser extent.

Its OK, most people think that way for a while and can win with that line of thought. I thought that way also for a while. When I opened my mind to switching gears and mixing in LAG play, I became dangerous and my win rate skyrocketed.

PS..Id rather limp 53s than lots of other hands people play, like JT or A9.

12-25-2016 , 04:19 PM

#55

Sneaky Pete

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 353

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vespidae

Wow. Classy.

I don't follow your point and think you don't follow mine. So you put a stick in my eye?

Nice.

I followed exactly what you are thinking.

You think limping is always bad.

It isn't the case, but you aren't here to listen.

12-25-2016 , 04:27 PM

#56

Vespidae

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Can you explain? I'm an engineer and just trying to follow the math.

12-25-2016 , 04:31 PM

#57

Vespidae

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Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete

I followed exactly what you are thinking.

You think limping is always bad.

It isn't the case, but you aren't here to listen.

I don't think I said that. I'll review my posts, but what I think I said was that limping is not the most profitable strategy.

MikeStarr said that's not the case ... so I'm interested in his non-snotty reply.