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Old 08-22-2010, 06:04 PM   #1
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2-5 b&m 400bb deep

9 handed game with 1 maniac pushing the action. I am bb (entering 40% of pots with maniac) , maniac on button. Most players limp trapping maniac, who open raises between 30$-55$ 70% of hands.

maniac $1200
utg+1 $2200
hero $2160

pre-flop: utg calls, utg+1 calls ,cu calls, maniac calls, sb calls, hero min raises (As9s), calls around, maniac raises to 100$, hero calls, utg+1 reraises (3d3s) to 400$, maniac folds, hero calls. pot=$925

Flop: 7d7s10s hero check calls $600

turn:5d hero check calls all-in $1160

rvr: 10c

Here is the skrewy thinking behind the strange play of the hand, and if most of my points can be conceded, for my sake of argument, i do have a specific question. My raise pre was to scare out any traps, i call maniac for obv reasons, when utg+1 4bets, i put him on a range of hands, not strong enough to stand alone/ push the action, but strong enough to gamble with if maniac shoves. so small PP only. Getting all my chips in @ any point is a profitable play, but the question I have is post flop.

Is check calling flop to hopefully give free river >%25 of time gain more equity then the <5% fold equity, if i check ship, or ship?

imo i can max 99% of time if i connect & fold rvr 100% if i dont. The hardest to concede, but plz do, would be that utg+1 would pay me off if a paint spade hits, or he would barrel if i check on turn or rvr when he gets counterfeit.

thanks, i am a first time poster plz dont scare me off

if in the wrong place or formated wrong i would appreciate honest help
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Old 08-22-2010, 07:15 PM   #2
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

ok... so you minraise to make sure nobody is slowplaying vs the maniac then you get *3bet* so... call?!?! OOP with A9s
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Old 08-22-2010, 07:41 PM   #3
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

Im not sure where to begin really.

Min raise to scare out traps? Why? What happens when youve got em scared out?

You should probably be posting in the small stakes tbh.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:23 AM   #4
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

This is one of the funniest post ive ever read!!

Min raising to scare out traps?if they are trapping with a big hand? Why would they be scared away by your min raise pre? The whole call pre,and c/c post is just ****** hilarious...!! LOL
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:29 AM   #5
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

This is an utter trainwreck. I dont even know where to begin other than preflop.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:37 AM   #6
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

Congrats on counterfeiting the guy and winning $4400 or so. Well played.
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:41 AM   #7
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

just jam the flop
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:17 PM   #8
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

Hand is a trainwreck.

Just check preflop. Don't minraise.
After maniac springs the trap, just fold because we are oop with a weak ace.
After UTG+1 springs the second trap, just fold because we are oop with a weak ace.

Once the flop comes headsup with $900 in the pot, $1760 left and one of the best flops we could possibly hope for, just find the best way to get all our money in on the flop when we have the best equity and the best fold equity. I suggest leading for $750 as that should let him know we're committed.

Stop playing poker for a while. Read some books. Read the COTWs in this forum. Good luck.

BTW, UTG+1 can easily have something like AJs/ATs/TT preflop in this spot.

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Old 08-23-2010, 06:38 PM   #9
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

OP is the type of player I talk about in my threads.


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This is one of the funniest post ive ever read!!
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This is an utter trainwreck. I dont even know where to begin other than preflop.
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Congrats on counterfeiting the guy and winning $4400 or so. Well played.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:06 PM   #10
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

This hand tilts me. Badly. Wow everything about this hand just tilts me.

Please don't play poker again. This isn't good. I can't find anything beginning to remotely appear to be a good decision anywhere in this hand, at all.

This hand was a level, right?
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:27 PM   #11
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

OP, no offense, but you've been here since 2006?

I can understand how a maniac creates maniacal play at the table, but I think you got too caught up in the moment.

I don't see the point of the min-raise here. It seems like you're trying to induce a three bet if it's out there to see where you stand? If that's your goal, it worked, and now you know you are likely against a small PP or Axs. This puts you at best at 50%, and I don't think there's enough dead money to make this +EV OOP against a player who has already taken lead in hand. If it were the maniac, maybe, but it's not. Fold Pre.

As played, deck smacked you in the face with flop, shove and enjoy FE. Unlikely that small PP was 7s, so unless you're facing AT, or *maybe* TT, you should get a fold here.

As played, how do you call turn? You can't think you have PO for this call. It's pretty obv villain puts you on FD and wants to deny odds. He has. Fold.

As played, congrats on miracle river. Now take advantage of maniac +2 image you have created, and use it to get called light for rest of session.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:33 PM   #12
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

OMFG... great look into the mind of people who play WTFPOKER.
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:48 PM   #13
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:49 PM   #14
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Either hand is a level or lollivepokeraments.
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Old 08-24-2010, 12:03 AM   #15
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Re: 2-5 b&m 400bb deep

^^ min-raising limpers .... FOR INFORMATON .... FTW
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