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07-18-2017 , 12:41 PM
Hero - $800 UTG - pretty new to the table. my first hand i open AQs to $20, V1 calls, V2 calls, and player in sb V3 jams for $200 and I re-shove and hold (and obviously show my cards). This hand is the very next hand

V1 - $550 UTG+1 - same V1 from last hand. obviously have no reads. he sigh folded his hand last hand though (and is on my direct left, has stack of about $500-600)

V2 - $1k MP - pretty bad player. quite loose likes to play a lot of hands, you know the deal.

V3 - $400 BTN - same player who jammed last hand


Hero opens AsQd to $20
V1 call
V2 call
V3 call



Flop ($80) KsQh7s

how do we proceed from here? Do people like x/c? x/f? b/f?

i would hate to let this hand check through and let people realize their equity. i think we have the best hand quite often.

having the ace of spades, im not sure if its better to bet and just fold if raised since we block the NFD which is a large part of their bluffs, or if its better to check and get value from semi bluffs with AsXs.

i feel like almost all turn cards are tough to play as well. Not sure if an ace is a good card for us... really only the Qc feels like a "good" card.

Last edited by jc315; 07-18-2017 at 01:01 PM.
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07-18-2017 , 12:49 PM
it's ironic that you snap jam AQo pre over 3 players after a $200 3bet, and now you don't know if you should cbet lol

This is a multiple barrel flop and one player has shown aggression earlier. I woudn't mind a c/f here or c/c depending on the action.
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07-18-2017 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
it's ironic that you snap jam AQo pre over 3 players after a $200 3bet, and now you don't know if you should cbet lol

This is a multiple barrel flop and one player has shown aggression earlier. I woudn't mind a c/f here or c/c depending on the action.
i mean i never said i snap jammed but i felt pretty good about jamming AQ over that players 3b shove for 40bb, and dont expect the players to my left to have that strong of a holding that often. but im spewier than most people on the forum so idk

what does a "multiple barrel flop" mean?
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07-18-2017 , 01:04 PM
it connected with their calling ranges (draws, top and second pair) so they're not folding to a cbet as often as they were on a A74r. You can't expect to fire one bullet and end the hand, you need to plan and size bets for river jams or give up on certain turns, etc.
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07-18-2017 , 01:12 PM
I continue for 50-60. Reevaluate the turn... if raised, uncertain....
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07-18-2017 , 01:16 PM
This might be super nitty but I think I x/fold the flop. There's not a ton of turn cards that are really bad especially since we have the As. Wouldn't be a disaster if the flop checked through imo.

If I have a read that the v who bets is aggro I might x/raise and plan on firing a lot of turns if we're deep enough/have FE. That might be mega spewy. Not too sure about this spot tbh just my thoughts.
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07-18-2017 , 02:03 PM
i dont think x/f flop is all that nitty in retrospect. i think we can make a lot of money in LLSNL by letting go of closer spots because there are always just much better spots to take. but i think this is one of those closer/awkward spots where i feel like we have the best hand quite often, and its fun to explore the closer spots and how to strategically attack them.

like how are people deciding what hands they want to continue with on this type of board vs 3 other villains?
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07-18-2017 , 09:17 PM
I think check is best, then depending on who bets you can call one bet. Wrong person bets then you fold.

Matters only slightly to this hand, but when v3 pushed before what did he have?

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07-19-2017 , 08:59 AM
If it was me, I wouldn't deduce much from what he had when he shoved because he now has 2x as many chips and just got stacked recently and I think those are two things that usually change the way people play pretty drastically.
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07-19-2017 , 09:22 AM
OOP, check and call any reasonable bet. If action goes beyond 1x, probably fold.


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Originally Posted by jc315
i think this is one of those closer/awkward spots where i feel like we have the best hand quite often, and its fun to explore the closer spots and how to strategically attack them.
IMO it's much more important that our hand may develop into a strong hand in a big pot.

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i feel like almost all turn cards are tough to play as well.
IMO being a consistent winner at NLH is pretty tough. It ain't cherry cheesecake on easy street. Think "four of spades," three times, and click your heels.

Last edited by BadlyBeaten; 07-19-2017 at 09:32 AM.
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07-19-2017 , 01:11 PM
I think it may seem like our hand could develop into a big hand in a big pot, but I think if you look a little closer there's not a great chance of that happening.

Other than running spades, there's not many runouts that I like our hand in IF THE POT STARTS GROWING. Even if we make 2pr and stacks start going in I think we're losing to JT, AK, and 77 a lot. KQ is really the only hand that I think we get good action from if we improve, since even if we catch running spades, we're not likely to get paid off.

I think this is def a hand we can continue with against the right villains, but I think it's more dependent on either keeping the pot small, or having fold equity on later streets imo.
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07-19-2017 , 01:40 PM
Check flop and evaluate. I see no reason to bet here.
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