I think I played this hand poorly, and would love some feedback.

MP1 just sat down 3 hands ago, based solely on appearance I would guess he is a passive player and not particularly good (could be completely wrong of course). Stacks are $470 effective.

Folds to MP1 call $5, CO call $5, Hero (SB) raise to $30 with AA, MP1 call, CO call.

Flop ($95): 568

Hero bet $70, MP1 call, CO fold.

Turn ($230): 568J

Hero bet $125, MP1 raise (all-in) $370, Hero call $245


Flop seems standard. I wasn't sure what do do on the turn. I think a fair bit of his range is sets, but it just seemed too weak to just check and give up on the turn, and my thinking was that if I'm going to call a bet on the turn anyways, I may as well put the bet in myself and potentially get called by worse/draws. Also the board is pretty wet, which influenced my decision- for example I wouldn't necessarily be stacking off it the flop had come 257

Anyways, that was my thinking during the hand. I think I should have folded once he shoved. My lead on the turn feels not so good, but I'm not convinced checking is better.

Help!

At the turn you got to go back at the flop and figure he got hit there not the Jack OTT but the flop hit him over the head. The Jack could not possibly have helped him OTT. The only way the Jack he may considers "help" is if he's got AJ and now he's got FD+TP on the turn. I'm not 100% as usual but I'm incline to think the flop was good for him. I think he can beat any overpair.

Looks fine.

That is a tricky hand .. And I think you played it fine. I would call it off here and accept that we are losing a lot.

I would play it like this:

pre: 40 (yeah it`s big .. but whatever .. raising AA in SB vs limpers is sketchy anyway and I want a lower SPR)
flop: 1/3 Pot or 80%
turn: bet/f small if we bet 1/3 Pot OTF and bet/call if we bet 80% ..

Check flop

What you accomplish by checking the flop? - Just give him a free card if he got any piece of the flop. Checking the flop is the absolute the worse play any dude will make with AA in a raised pot. Absolute amateurish horrible play.

I'm going $40 - $50 pre OOP. I wouldn't mind $30 if we had the BTN or was in the CO. SB is just a tough spot to pick up a real hand if they all fold, it's not a huge deal - we win $15.

Already $17 in the pot - with your $2 SB. And people hate folding LLSNL

As played it's fine.

You can check turn but doesn't really mater. You probably wouldn't fold if he bets turn and jams river.

Check flop.

Check flop is a very weak play but I understand why you "pretend" of playing like that here on 2+2. I really do understand it. I think I should adjust the contents of my post too.

Checking flop is totally fine. Would prefer x/c flop with the Ah but meh.

@outdonked you are either a sublime troll or you got some issues man.

LOL ..., what? .. You mean I may be crazy? .. LOL

You should see me playing at the table. If people get confused here where we just write little posts ...maaaannnn! .. You should see how my villains get confused and have no idea how to handle me. ......., haha.

They don't know when to take me seriously or suspect me of having air. Also, I never come into the pot at the flop with just air. I always have an escape hatch, so to speak. I'm just playing the board starting from the turn and I cannot help it when they relate their hand to the board. Of course it's very hard to match the board even on the turn with their two cards. I know that, so I play the entire board like he's non existent. I always play 60:40 in the worse case scenario. He's got around at the best 40% to match the board on the turn. This is on average. So, from 10 plays I lose 4 and win 6 on average, a net of 2 pots for myself regardless. Now, sometime I flop or turn a good or near nut hand and clean him up. It happen like 1:10 or so per session/night. But all my villains get confused. That's for sure.

I can see why and understand how that could happen to a sane educated intellectual player. The problem is I'm not an intellectual but a hustler. I'm playing cards for a living.

I wouldn't feel good about calling it off vs a seemingly passive v.
A little more pre. Maybe 40. Flop is ok
Turn I really wouldn't want to get into this spot, what are we supposed to be beating when he shoves?

Your pf sizing is fine. Flop is incredibly wet, with lots of combination draws. I don't hate your flop sizing and do see the merit in a 2/3 pot size bet. However, I would probably bet full pot or even slightly over ($100 is a nice round number) given that I am out of position and would not mind taking it down on the flop since almost half the remaining deck will make the turn very hard to play.

The J is a blank, so I do think that you need to bet. I would probably call the raise, as there are enough hands that we are either ahead of or have odds to call. Overall, this is a tough hand due to you being in small blind.

Standard line. C/C flop def has merit vs some good & creative player types but if I deem MP & CO to be on the recreational/passive side this is a bet for me all day

This for me. There are certain competent regs that I know I'll never get 3 calls from worse and will c/c flop or bet turn myself if it checks through when I'm playing out of the blinds with an OP. Against the average player pool, betting flop would be standard for me.

As played, readless and facing a 1/2 pot shove, I'm calling it off although I'm not particularly loving it. You don't block the NFD combos, and there's just so many draw/pair + draw combos in Vs range. Of course if it turns out he truly is a passive V that's never shoving less than 2p then we're obviously hating life, but 3-4 hands against an unknown 2-5 player just isn't nearly enough to come to any conclusions about his game.

< 100 bbs deep, hand played itself vs this type of opponent.

I'd go 1/2 PSB on flop. When he shoves turn, likely 2-pr (J8/86/65), but could also have JhXh, maybe J7. I'm fine with stacking off 94 bbs in this spot. Unlucky if u lost.

I try to go a little extra PF against new players to make sure they're 'serious' about their holdings. New player may play a few 'extra' hands when they first sit down to see how the deck is treating them and/or get a feel for the table.

Same advice as most on Flop as $70 is a probably a minimum I want to bet here to look a little bluffy .. and I'm betting most of the time with the draws out there.

Turn I could go either way .. Pretty much any bet puts your stack reasonably at risk on the River but you don't want to give a free card either if you plan to c/c.

JhXh, TT/QQ/KK are going to shove the Turn here. You are 'live' against all hands except 97. You don't know how live you are against his range. I don't see b/f or c/f here on the Turn and would have to do a real soul read to c/f the River. GL

I would be much more willing to c/c flop if we were HU. Against 2 opponents, this is a crystal clear bet on the flop.

AP to the turn, b/c seems like the second worst line we can take (behind c/f) given that we interpret V as passive. I think we either have to b/f or c/c. If plan is to b/f I'm sizing down a bit on the turn, maybe $100 even.

I think you can reasonably get away from AA on this turn. You basically have to assume villain is just a complete mouth breather to stuff turn with a range that you are crushing.

Also, per your description, villain looks to be just a passive recreational player who suddenly wakes up and wants to play for every dollar - even at our most optimistic a passive player isnt going to yolo the NFD w/ J top pair and will instead wait "to hit" before putting in the stack.

Clearly we could say the "passive" assessment was incorrect, in which case Outdonked's response sums it up nicely: there arent many hands you're ahead of that a Js brings in. I think its easier to give villain a few laps to see where his mistakes are - perhaps you realize later you shouldnt have folded if villain turns out to be a serial blaster with a wider range (T9hh, AJhh type stuff say) but as far as general population estimates it makes more sense to assume they dont bluff often enough.