1/2 Late at night (3am) but a brand new table going about 30 minutes. Table is full of bro's (that's young white dudes in bro culture, not black dudes). All of the Vs with my limited time at table play similarly except for SB (who is not a factor in this hand). They are loose passive pre even for a raise. Kind of ABC post but so far not gambooly and folding too often post to any pressure.

Hero (Button): MAWG, $350. Covers table. Won a few pots, only shown down when I had it. Bluffed another 1 or 2.

V1 (BB): $300. No real read. Bro with sunglasses. Loose pre.

V2-4: All have between $80-$150. No real reads except they are loose pre.

OTTH: Hero straddles to $4 and after about 6 limps, I check with Qc3c. Any debate here?

Flop: ($25ish) 9cTsKc
We have 2nd nut flush draw+gutshot to 2nd nut straight draw.

SB ($70) bets $10, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 calls, V4 makes it $25.

Pot is now like $90. Facing $25 bet.

Given the lol-small sizing all around I call. I'm guessing never folding. Anybody raise here?

Here's where it gets weird. SB calls, V1 calls, V2 makes it $70, V3 folds, V4 shoves for like $100 total. Back to me. Pot is now a bunch of reds in a pile but my 2am mind does quick math and it's about $400 with $75 to call.

I clearly have direct odds to call. Should I just take them and see a turn or overshove right now? I overshoved. SB folded (lolwut), V1 called, (also a little lolwut), V2 called.

It just felt the hand played out very strangely but it's almost like I was a bystander and unless I'm wrong, my actions were no brainers but put me in a high risk/reward situation.

All looks fine. Having to shove is a bit annoying because you don't really want to knock people out, but it would be super annoying if V1 bet you off your hand on the turn and that's probably the overriding concern.

I think calling the flop is slightly better than a shove but its fairly close

Sucessful understanding of the bro-code can also be used to convince villain to check the turn when you don't hit

All looks good aside from the PF straddle.

[ ] good draw

imo

Going back stoving the hands makes an interesting math problem due to the heads up aspects and varying stack sizes. Given we are 50-50 against the largest stack and have good equity against the rest plus dead money means it had to be a +EV move, but still interesting. Anybody want to guess the other hands?

H covers
V1 $300
V2 $150
V4 $100

Dead money: $70

win %
H 38%
V1 12%
V2 10%
V4 40%

Heads up (with removing known cards)
H vs V1 49-51
H vs V2 70-30
H vs V3 40-60

Where is the good draw you speak of in this hand?

Fold at every opportunity on the flop. You're leveling yourself at every decision into piling money into a pot vs passive opponents who have shown strength and you have Q high with a gutshot.

You're trying to go broke in a limped pot with air, and you think this play is a "no-brainer"?

I'm always open to being corrected but you would fold 2nd nut flush draw on the flop (ignoring gutshot) getting immediate 4-1 on the call?

I'll stand corrected on this one. You made the hand clear, but for some reason, I had misread it as only one club on the flop and that this was a backdoor flush draw (despite the fact that you clearly wrote it was a flush draw...)

Apologies for that error - your initial flop line makes far more sense than I realized.

I still don't like the shove because it's a limped pot and none of your draws are nutted, passive opponents are getting very aggressive, and you have no fold equity from these opponents. You could easily be getting it in dead or close to it here for stacks. If I thought you could get folds or you had the Ac, I'd get behind the shove.

Hindsight dont like the flop shove either. V1 was either coming along or not and he was my only worry as the other stacks were short. Here's how the hand played out

Everybody calls.
Board runs out 5x Qx no clubs.

V1 shows AJo (no clubs) for the scoop.
V2 shows J8cc
V4 shows AsKs

If everybody had played their hand face up I'm not sure I change anything I did. It's why I made the thread. I just dumped 150bb with a crap hand and felt like it was pre-ordained. Maybe follow initial advice, don't straddle.

i dont straddle and dont put all my money in with a 2nd nut draw with many in the pot.

i could see you going all in on the flop early to try to win it there .

Thats a cool story but what do you do instead? Fold at some point? The shove at the end is only really effective against one villain (everyone else having $80-$150 per OP) so the fact that there are many in the pot doesn't really matter at that point.

could have got away on the flop for the 25 or for the 75 more. a lot of strength showed on the betting round.

the more in the pot the more odds you get but the more chance you are drawing dead.