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07-29-2014 , 03:05 AM
Just a few orbits in at a 2/5 game in Lake Tahoe.

Villain older 40s most aggressive player at table. Raising most buttons and cutoffs. Only hand I see go to showdown he raises to 15 gets 3 bet to 40 by button flop is 632 check calls 60 turn 6 gets checked through river 4 he leads 100 gets raised to 280 calls to split his k5 suited vs q5 suited of button.

Hero is 30 and youngest player by at least 6 years but trying to look and play nitty as developing game flow and dynamics.
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07-29-2014 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pike58jack
Just a few orbits in at a 2/5 game in Lake Tahoe.

Villain older 40s most aggressive player at table. Raising most buttons and cutoffs. Only hand I see go to showdown he raises to 15 gets 3 bet to 40 by button flop is 632 check calls 60 turn 6 gets checked through river 4 he leads 100 gets raised to 280 calls to split his k5 suited vs q5 suited of button.

Hero is 30 and youngest player by at least 6 years but trying to look and play nitty as developing game flow and dynamics.
Cool so whats the question?
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07-29-2014 , 03:31 AM
Sorry on my phone and accidentally sent. Anyways ...

Folds to me in cutoff with k3 suited 7 handed. Normally this hand is a dump but decide to hopefully use my image to win a pot

Hero raises 20. Folds to villain in bb who reraises to 55. Villain has 850ish I cover. While I will agree that such a small raise screams wanting action I also thought that this opponent was trying to take back control of pot and bully me since I has not shown much more then a passive game so far. I thought best response was to go for a resteal since his 3 bet range I still expected to be super wide and K3 does terrible for a flat even in position. Thus I 4 bet to 155, this bet is also to balance my 4 bet range

Villain calls flop. Pot 307 after rake. Flop 83K rainbow. Villain check calls 175. Now I did expect this villain to check call 99+ and maybe as light as AQs. This was the biggest game running and in the bigger games c-bets are quite the norm and usually most players now auto call c-bets as the growing trend in games I play

Pot 657. Turn 7 bringing back door diamond draw. Villain checks to me.

So what line should I take? Bet a little small and hope bb spazz shoves thinking I am weak? Continue with normal half pot bet? Shove which is basically a pot size bet? Or check hoping to induce a river bet by bb? Also if I do check behind what do I on river if 8 comes 7 comes backdoor diamond comes in ace or paint? Personally any non counterfeiting card I feel I should stack off if I take said line but want to hear all opinions
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07-29-2014 , 03:59 AM
V starts with 850... calls 155, then 175... leaving him with 520??... pot is 657...
If V has AK or AA, he's calling.
If he's got a set or bigger two pair, you're calling.
If he's on the str8 or flush draw, he's calling.

Unless this guy is trappy - and you think he'd check/call with the nuts (like KK or 88) - I don't see a reason to check it back.
I'd bet 520 with my 2 pair thinking I'm good.

Most V's won't call off 2/5 of their stack and fold.
Also, shoving on turn might look desperate and get him to call light.

(BTW... in his shoes, I don't think your image has got 2 pair here - unless you were being creative with 78. So I'd put you on a one pair hand and call with anything that beats that.)

But since this is live - it's very villain dependent.
Also - you didn't give suits of cards (yours or board) - so it's hard to know if the K is a diamond or not (which makes AKdd stronger).
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07-29-2014 , 04:54 AM
I did not have flush draw. Yes I did not think player would think my image to be anything more then 1 pair. AK and aces are the two hands that make the most sense considering I 4 bet. So I need to play to get a spazz specially considering I can't get him to call off anything that doesn't beat AK that wouldn't also beat K3 except 78. I think 99+ feel better with a light shove with redrawn then light call off but then again this is why I ask
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07-29-2014 , 07:38 AM
You know you're getting into trouble when you're continually changing you reads on the situation. In pf, you first start off with, "I've got a nitty image, I'm going to use it." After you get raised you think, "he thinks I have a weak enough range that I can be pushed off my hand, so I'm going to balance by 4 betting."

It follows on with on the flop you think he's calling you with 99+, AQ+. Does he really think your range includes AT?

As for the rest, you bink 2 pair and he's at pot commitment on the turn. If he's calling a small bet, he's calling the rest of the stacks. Just stick it in.
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