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Old 05-24-2012, 06:08 PM   #31
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

Flop-you should bet. You want to get value from the QQ, AJ, 99 hands that would probably call. I would bet at least 2/3 pot. Since your read on her is that she's not tricky, you can easily fold to a C/R.

Based on the range that you gave her and the way the hand was played, she is probably betting her entire range OTT which, aside from straights, could include 99 or QQ for OESDs. Most of her range will continue. I would probably shove the turn . The way you played it, she might call you with something like TPTK.

As played, shove the river. Yes, she could have AQ but she could also call you with a lower set as well as AA or TPTK.
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Old 05-24-2012, 06:21 PM   #32
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

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I think with such a big raise pre I have to lead on the flop. If I get check raised here I probably can find a fold but you have to assume villian bets most made hands on the flop here if your description is correct. If I got called on the flop I might take a pot control line on turn but when you hit the king your crushing almost her entire range. I think I dont mind trying to get my stack in almost always here.

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Old 05-24-2012, 07:38 PM   #33
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

My opinion is you need to bet this flop so you can see where you are at. $100 would be my bet. If she smooth calls I lead $200 on the turn when I hit my set. Again another call I can feel confident by the river I have the best hand and can make a value bet. If she raises the flop bet then I might just call it down. As it turns out she did a lot of the betting for you. But you still lost value to a whole bunch of hands in her calling range. To sum it up: when you gave up control of the hand you may have lost value and you never got any more information on her holding. However, once you gave up control of the hand I think you played it correctly.
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Old 05-24-2012, 07:40 PM   #34
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

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Flop-you should bet. You want to get value from the QQ, AJ, 99 hands that would probably call. I would bet at least 2/3 pot. Since your read on her is that she's not tricky, you can easily fold to a C/R.

Based on the range that you gave her and the way the hand was played, she is probably betting her entire range OTT which, aside from straights, could include 99 or QQ for OESDs. Most of her range will continue. I would probably shove the turn . The way you played it, she might call you with something like TPTK.

As played, shove the river. Yes, she could have AQ but she could also call you with a lower set as well as AA or TPTK.

I don't fold to a C/R on the flop with an over-pair to the board. If she's not tricky she easily raises her AJ here.
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Old 05-25-2012, 12:26 AM   #35
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

Villain did show up with AQ.
It must be a cooler in a way. She would at least call with her entire range on the flop. I don't think I could get her off the hand but a bet on the flop would have extracted value.

And yes these $2/5 players will call a $135 isolation bet oop with AQo. Lol live players.

I tank called river and never once considered a raise on the turn or river. I don't think she bet calls with worse.
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Old 05-25-2012, 03:44 AM   #36
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

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My opinion is you need to bet this flop so you can see where you are at.
No you bet for value here. Get this idea you bet "to see where you're at" idea out of your head.

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I don't fold to a C/R on the flop with an over-pair to the board.
Vs a live c/r range on this board you're either a little ahead or way behind and the board is only going to get worse most of the time. Have you even assigned villain a range of hands they could c/r?.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:40 AM   #37
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I tank called river and never once considered a raise on the turn or river. I don't think she bet calls with worse.
Seriously? You don't think she would play JJ or TT the same way after you checked back the flop.
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:12 PM   #38
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Seriously? You don't think she would play JJ or TT the same way after you checked back the flop.
Ok maybe I might raise the turn rarely but never raise her $400 river bet. I really think she would x/c a lower set on the river. $400 screams nuts IMO.
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:26 PM   #39
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

I think this hand is really results oriented. I feel a bet on the flop would have flushed out that type of hand if the villan is how you described. I still believe your losing a ton of value by not trying to get your stack in from the turn. I guess if you have that type of read on villian where she would only raise with the nuts then I guess the river call is okay. Still think this is a situation where Im looking to get my stack in as soon as possible against almost all villians at this level once I hit the king on the turn.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:15 PM   #40
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Fact is, short of overbetting the flop, hero is getting stacked.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:28 PM   #41
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Re: $2/5- 240 bb deep with KK

Hand is played fine, raise folding the turn its fine too. if she is a station jam the river
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