Hero: $600 Have only been at the table for 30min or so and has only played 2 un-noteworthy hands prior to this.

Villain 1 ($240) : Middle aged WG. He's really loose. Played in majority of pots so far.

Villain 2 ($1200) : Older WG. Playing snug. ABC type

UTG Straddle, Villain 1 next to act Calls, Hero raises from MP with KK $40. Villain 2 on button calls and Villain 1 calls.

($137) 8 9 10 rainbow
Villain 1 check, I check, Villain 2 bets $150 without much thought. Villain 1 Jams $200 total pretty quickly. Hero?

Fold

board: 9t8

Kk20.87%
9t, tj, j9, aj, j8, 89, 67, 78, jq, 88-tt, jj, qq39.61%
9t, tj, j9, aj, j8, 89, 67, 78, jq, 88-tt, jj, qq39.53%

Board smacks both villains callingranges, and we can be almost dead or in horrific shape against alot of combos on this type of flop. Our hand also have little to no chances of improving.JJ or even QQ would be better candidates if we want to go with some of our overpairs in this spot due to the straightdraws outs.

I am cool with surrender our 40 bucks here and just fold the flop.

Pre sucks man. Get into these spots on straddles often. We raise too much everyone folds. Raise not enough and no one folds cause it's straddle haha.

I like flop I would do same and I would call here too which I'm sure wasn't your question.

I'm ranging him on lots of pair + draw hands along with sets and 2pr(unlikely) and straights (unlikely)

Nh, now fold

Not being at table long, I think I prefer a bigger raise pre - $50. I don't know that I hate getting it in here. Pot's grown big, V2 has plenty of Tx broadway hands in his range + JJ and QQ, and might not fold anything given your stack depth, and V1 can be somewhat wide - maybe showing up with stuff like A9o. Yeah you can easily be drawing slim, but when last to act pots a board texture like this I'm tending to give them more hands like AT and QQ than I'm giving them TT and JQ - even OMC types.

Not sure though. I hate playing around the 100BB mark because I probably make too many mistakes getting it in lighter than I should with top pair or overpairs.... That being said, technically you started at 60BBs (straddles), so...

Anyway, I think if ranges are weighted properly, this is very close, and a fold is definitely fine

I don't think villain 2 has a lot of those hands in his range PF. Also we can discount JQ significantly for V2. Don't think he calls with offsuit and doubt he bombs the nuts on a rainbow board either.

Fair enough but tightening his preflop range doesn't make your equity surge.

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^ i was thinking in hand that, I was prob at a disadvantage vs the shortstack. But was ahead of buttons range (made sense for him the have JJ/QQ and bombing to just end the hand on the flop).

There still would be $360 behind ($720 total) for me and button to play for in a side pot. I ended up deciding maybe it was just too FPS and optimistic and folded. Curious if anyone agrees with my thought process here

Also, fwiw I'm most likely calling $150 on the flop if V1 folded.

sigh fold

Pre too small. 50 or 60 better.

I think 50 is good, 40 isn't terrible or anything though.

Pretty easy fold OTF. Sorry you folded and would have won, OP.

Obv

Grunch.

Very close since we can be drawing very thin or dead sometimes, but I jam it in. I dont fold the top of my range unless it's clearly -EV, and esp when we beat worse hands that are value betting/all bluffs like AJ after showing weakness

We are always going broke with an SPR of 1.5 vs V1, and V2 has a lot of worse hands he can be value betting when we check. I expect a reshove to be +EV here. SPR is 4 and two guys have shown weakness to the BTN player. Folding here is mistake imo.

With that said, folding isnt a big mistake. These hands wont affect your winrate too much, but I'm quite a station in these types of close spots.

You're 55bb deep. If you fold AA/KK here, you're basically never calling off any hand besides JJ/QQ this shallow. Im not hero folding a big overpair when I'm 55bb deep effective given the circumstances

Wayyy too tight

Assigning villain ranges with flat distributions is just so so completely wrong in spots like this.

Does villain play AT or QQ or JQ more often like he did potting flop when checked to him? In my experience, OMCs hate hate hate being drawn out on; they don't really care if somebody already has JQ but if somebody has TJ, then they're gonna have to pay up to see another card. When I see this action, I'm always thinking the OMC has a lot of one pair hands. A bet of $100 would honestly be somewhat more worrisome to me.

As to the short stack villain. He's just extra money as far as I'm concerned, and more reason to go with my hand.

I agree. Does it change if V1 has a little more chips? Say $300 on the flop. I was more worried about his range.

Not really. You're 99% always going broke with an overpair if the SPR is 2-3 unless you're playing a rock postflop that likes to trap and only gets it in with the stone cold nuts.

If he has 300, SPR is like 2.2

Yeah, I dont see him folding A10, K10, Q10 either. Ugh.

How come? I would be far more concerned w V2s sizing than V1s limp-c, ck-jam shorty range.

Was every pot straddled so that bet sizings were well adjusted or are we dealing with an old tight guy betting the strength of his hand to the point where czech rays' range estimate is spot on? Are we really doing that well backshoving KK?

^Don't think V2 has any 2 pair hands. While I think V1 can have all of them. But V1 does also have A10 K10 Q10 imo so it prob negates everything