First: Sorry for the bad english. I hope you can understand the whole hand and my tought process. If no feel free to ask
Italian people can´t speak english lol


Game in my local Casino in Holland, 7 Handed.
Went on this table after my old table broke up, this was my second hand dealt on the new table.

About the players:

Hero (SB) (470€): Regular at the Casino, Known by V1 and V2. A lot of history with these 2 players, they see me as a TAG player that can SLAG it up if the table need it. maybe perceive as a little too aggro preflop and on the flop from both.

V1 (UTG) (Cover): Regular at the casino, at best a breakeven player . If i could put an HUD on it i would say he play something like 30/15. He play a wider range in position but he also play a too wide range from EP/MP. When he limps in his range is always capped. After the flop he overvalue TP way too much. Has a fold button if someone showing big aggression on later streets.

V2 (UTG+1) (Cover): Tight passive player, He don´t like to put money in the pot with bad holdings. He don´t like to raise either, he mostly limps in and call a raise if he likes his hand, playing mostly fit or fold after the flop. If he want to raise he has preflop raise sizing tells, sizing it bigger if he has a premium hand. His HUD would be something like 16/6.
I´m not sure if his limping range could be capped or not. He is for sure gonna raising his premium hands 90 % of the time, but i see him playing limp reraise from EP sometimes in the past.
Don´t get out of line often, but if he smells weakness he is able to pull a bluff once in a lifetime.

V3 (CO) (84€): Mr. Big Fish, he is on tilt because he is running bad and being crushed all night long. This is his last money, he looks tilted and i expect to see him shoving any 2 in gamble modus every hand. Double up or die trying modus: ON

V4 (Button) (Cover): Loose passive player, calling station, a big one. raise preflop only premiums. Chase every flop with every piece.


OTTH:

V1 UTG limps in, V2 calls, MP calls, V3 calls, V4 calls. Hero look at AJ in SB and make it 36 to go.


Should i limp in too and play a pot with high SPR? AJs play well multiway and being OOP versus the whole table sucks, but i think the whole table range is capped at this point, i have an hand that is ahead of their limping range most of the time and i don´t mind if i take immediatly the massive amount of dead money. Should i have sized it bigger because OOP?

Hero in SB with AJ make it 36 to go, BB Folds, V1 calls (wtf), V2 calls (wtf again, never expeced that tbh), MP folds, V3 Reraises all In for 84, V4 folds, Hero tankt a little and pop it up to 150€.


I didn´t expect to see V1 and V2 flatting my raise, but whatever. Because they only limp called my raise i think they are still capped and can´t have any premium in their range. V1 could have any pair below 99 and some Suited connectors, V2 can realistically only have PPs at this points or maybe a weird played AQ/AK/KQs, but who knows. I enjoy that the big Fish is shoving his money in this pot, he has 99% a bad holding but after he see all the dead money around he can´t fold anymore. This is his last chance! (lol)
If i range people correctly here i think this is a nice spot to isolate V3 and play vs him with the whole dead money from V1 and V2. if they are capped they will fold for sure to my 150€ (both have a fold button and i´m the only one that have an uncapped range in this hand right now). i think they can only come along with qq+ and AK at this point, and these hands should not be in their range.


Hero pop it up to 150€, V1 folds, V2 tank a little bit and then calls.


WTF is just happening in this hand? a Tight Passive player limp cold call 150€ preflop? i´m not sure how can i range him right now. I think his range is here always TT+ and maybe some combo of AK. I have history on him, and i know for sure that he could fold a hand like AQ and any other little PP because he isnt getting the proper price to set mining. I literally never see him doing something like that. In my head take place the idea that he is slowplaying the whole time a premium hand like QQ+ and because of splashy V3 hoping that V3 gets his money in and locks a little dead money in the pot.



FLOP (432€)

KT6


Hero?


After the action preflop i´m pretty lost on the flop. i have a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw, but i play OOP in a bloated pot vs a probably ultra tight range of TT;AK. Do you Cbet on the flop? If yes what is your sizing? It´s ok to simply check fold in this situation? vs this range i have no fold equity at all and if i bet i commit myself to the pot with little to no equity.

Dam,

Rough spot. First thought is I think I am punting here. But V2 likely has AK alot here.

Check and fold I guess. Once in awhile, we may get a few cards for free.

I like your preflop play. You had solid reads and good strategy.



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Shove pre 150 is terrible

Pre needs to be bigger once the fish goes in for 84. We do not want V1 and V2 calling. If V1 calls the 150, V2 is priced in with nearly ATC and is pretty much guaranteed to see our hand due to the protected pot.

We would rather blow both V1 and V2 away and only play against V3 for his short stack.

If everyone else is deep, I'm thinking shove pre. Even if they hold QQ-TT, AK-AQ both V1 and V2 are going to be uncomfortable. We are the initial raiser after a field of limpers and would be repping at least QQ+, AK if not KK+.

Shove pre.

Appreciated Buddy. Ty
I think as The other suggest i Had to raise More/gii pre. With The raise to 150 V1 and V2 Has to pay 114 to win 318, Thats pretty good odds i should Not giving. Next Time i will simply pile my Money in and Maxing fold Equity.


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This is a great board to cbet on, as it smacks your range that you would 4-bet pf. AK, AA, KK, even QQ may cbet here. Because this hit your range so hard, a smaller cbet, i.e. 150 or so may look a lot stronger than a large c-bet, especially because the hand will be going to showdown with V3 being all-in. If V2 calls, find a way to exit the hand on the turn unless you make your straight or you get another diamond.

The only issue I have is the 4bet pre. Either you need to flat or shove here.

On the flop the pot is too big to cbet for me. It smashes both villain's and your range, except you missed and he may not have. If his range is AK and TT+, Then he has 6 sets, 4 TPTK with AK, and 2 AA. He has 6 combos of QQ/JJ. I'd say a c-bet is working 33% of the time here. It's a terrible spot at this point, so check and hope to peel a Q or a backdoor flush.

I think a smaller cbet gets called off, and in my opinion the flop hit his range as hard as ours. There are some players that be fooled by the smaller cbet strategy, and if we feel this is one of those players I like it from a risk/reward standpoint. Whether or not this player is one of them is the question.

Let's say we give V TT+ and AK. Assume if we jam, he'll fold QQ and JJ and call with the others. Let's assume he doesn't have AA, since I think it's pretty likely AA might have found a raise somewhere in the preflop action. HH doesn't say he never, ever raises pre, after all.

V has 24 combos in his range. He's folding 9 (6 x QQ + 3 x JJ), or 37.5%.

FE = 37.5% * 423 = 159

If he calls, we're in bad shape, with only 18.6% equity.

SD equity = 18.6% * (423 + 320) - (81.4% * 320) = 138 - 260 = -122.

Total equity is about 159 - 122 = 37

So, if that range is right, we can jam for thin value.

If we check, it all depends on what V does.

If we think he'll bet his TP+ hands (AK, KK, TT) but check QQ and JJ, then we should x/f the flop and consider bombing the turn if the checks the flop through.

If he'll bet his entire range, we should jam ourselves

If he'll check his entire range, we should check and try to bink, probably repeating the process on the turn.

Given that he's described as passive, I think we can probably x/f and eval the turn. If he were more aggro, then I think jamming ourselves becomes better.

Great setup for us. Thanks.

Vs. this player, who is tight passive, plays fit/fold, likes to call but not raise, just check/fold the flop. He only bluffs once in a lifetime, and this is not a good board to bluff on vs. your pre-flop actions. You could easily be checking to induce.

No problem!

I think too many posters don´t give enough reads about The players and the table, so it´s become difficult to help them getting the right decisions.

Thanks all for the help, and thanks Case for the range analysis (I wouldn´t take AA away from his range btw). if i could play it back i would just shove preflop the money in, too much Dead money that i could take immediatly. i think it´s in the long run the best play, and it doesn´t take us to difficult spots Post flop. If tight passive player snap us and is with a premium around, so let it be.


Just for Info, i played check fold on the flop after the Tight passive put 120 Euro in. he didn´t show, but i think it was the right decision.