Sit down at a 2-4 NL table, seems they have been playing awhile, about an hour in hero has established tight image, show down a few winners, fold a few big hands resulting in about a -$60 session to this hand. About 2 hours in UTG+2 ($275)calls, hero($150) raises from the button to $16 with JJ. Folds around to UTG+2 who now raises to $50.....thoughts?

Fold. He has KK+

That was my thought process.....

You didn't give us any info or observations about villain.

In a vaccuum this is a fold, V has QQ-AA, AK

Simiarly, you are viewed as a nit so I doubt he is ever raising you with 77-TT, AJ, AQ type hands...

and that is what this boils down to. What is V's 3-betting range from EP? At this level, the EP l/rr is almost always KK, AA. QQ/AK is at the bottom of his range

I fold face down, he shows 10s 9s, actually threw my thinking off, I cashed out 1 round later back at even still thinking about the hand

Also any suggestions on the best way to open with JJ in a 1-2, 2-4 game?

You just have to figure out the table dynamics and the type of villains you are up against.

Some table, players only 3-bet with QQ-AA, some tables players only 3-bet with KK, AA, some tables players 3-bet with T9s when they are in position...

How you adjust and how you play JJ will vary accordingly.

You were at the table long enough to figure out what Villian's 3-bet range was... but the fact that you forgot to mention villain tendencies in your post tells me you aren't that advanced.

Sorry, not trying to be a prick, but recreational players don't think about those sorts of things. They just think "I have JJ, what should I do?"

The answer is, "Well, what type of villains are at the table and what are the table dynamics. If the table dynamics are aggro, then a c/r may be best. If the table dynamics are passive, then a lead out bet is best. If the table dynamics are super loose passive then I should lead out for a lot!!!"

Think about your villains? Think about the typical raises? How often where pots raised pre? How often where pots 3-bet pre? How often did V 3-bet? How many players typically called preflop raises? What where the typical preflop raise amounts: 3bb, 7bb, 12bb???

All that is vital information required to answer your question.

See what i'm getting at?

Open for a bet always and don't differ from your raise sizes PF. Raise just like you have AA. Reraise PF maybe 50/50 but more dependent on the situation and the villain. Be sure you're getting the right price if you decide to set-mine against a bigger pair, otherwise don't be afraid to fold them.

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Yes thank you for the help.

I appreciate the responses

Just randomly set your 4bet frequency to 50% at minimum? I think 4betting 100bb or deeper at 1/2nl should be closer to 0% than 50%. People 3bet so infrequently, many live players won't even 3bet AK.

Regardless of what this guy showed, JJ is a very easy fold here. The only thing I would ask my self is if there was anything I did that may have induced it.

Like 4x over a limper in a live game is probably smallish? Depends on the game. I personally attack small iso raises.