Hey guys...
I just wanted to share my todays bad beat experience with you and ask you honestly if you think I did something incorrect in this situation.
So I would appreciate any comments.
It was 2-3$ NL live cash game.
My hand was 77.
Player on my right raises to 12, I reraise to 24, 3 players fold, one calls, and the one on my right calls as well.
75ish $ in the pot
Flop comes A78
Players on the right checks, I bet 30, one player folds, another calls.
135$ in the pot
Turn comes J
I go all in with 200.
Player on my right calls immediately.
535$ in the pot.
River comes A
Showdown I have a full house of 777AA, he has a full house of AAA77.
Was such a bitter moment for me.

anybody?

Normally I'd say don't 3-bet, you basically fold out all the hands that 77 is beating by doing so. But you got A7 to call so that's good, if he's that lose 3-bet you're mid pp's.

The sizing is a little off. OTF, you're getting action from Ax, there aren't draws out there. If V has 88 that's just a cooler, so bet whatever will get a call from Ax. You can probably go $40-$45 into the pot of $70 otf. AK/AQ/AJ isn't just going to check/fold.

The turn is a bit of an overshove, you're shoving $200 into about $130. This is fixed by betting bigger otf, otf you need to be planning out the entire hand. If you had bet $45 otf, the turn pot would be about $160 and you'd have about $180 left. It's closer to a full pot-sized bet, not an overbet. You got valled by worse, but most of the time you overshove like that, you just force folds from the inferior hands.

Basically every street was played incorrectly

Being results oriented tho, the outcome will always be the same here and theres nothing you couldve done to avoid the A on the river

Preflop: don't 3 bet. If you're going to make a bad decision to 3bet, 3bet sizing is really bad. Make it bigger.

Flop bet sizing is bad. Make it bigger.

Turn sizing is really bad. Make it smaller.



Wrong forum for bad beat stories.

Actually I knew that the opponent on the right of me didn't have a set, most likely 2 pairs or one pair of As. I just wanted him to fold on turn, thats why I went all in. I didn't want to gamble and face that possible A on the river. He was willing to gamble tho.

Is 30 flop betting not enough?

Why would you want him to fold the turn? He's drawing to like 4 outs at best. He's drawing dead a big part of the time. This is a terrible way to think about poker.

Grunch.

Next time try and remember stack sizes of villains in the hand and what positions players were. It helps for others to comment on your hand. Also player images of everybody in the hand helps as well.

Pre flop, I wouldn't 3bet with 77. You fold out worse and only better calls or raises. I would call in this position and wait to see a flop

As played, you have far too much money in the pot already to bet only $30. There's 75 in the pot so you should bet around 2/3 at least or more depending on the type of players you're playing with. So anywhere between $50-60. On the flop, were there any flush draws? Suits also help explain the hand.

On the turn it's a huge over bet but if they're calling you with what seems like a wife ranger considering he called preflop with A7. It sucks he drew out on you and yes you did overall get unlucky but the hand wasn't played well.

Because there is still a chance that an A can come on the river that make him end up with the full house which presicely happened. I thought by going all in I could eliminate that risk.

Why in the HELL would you want them to fold? You know the probability of that A coming on the river? Very unlikely. You want to milk the money out of him not scare him off

Yes, $30 into $75 is not enough

Very flaaawwwweeeeedddd

Nope there were no flush draws, all kinds were of different kinds.
I 3betted cuz I wanted to gamble at least once, overall I was playing pretty tight, at the beginning of the session I won a big pot then was folding hands for like 20-25 times and got really impatient.
Then after hitting a set on the flop I thought about the outs, and yeah the probability would be very low, but then I got kinda scared like what if still it would come (it's not impossible, so its better to steal this pot (135) than nothing. That guy actually was playing pretty tight, and I expected him to fold, I dont know why on earth he called.

I understand probability my friend, but still sometimes **** can happen, and its better to almost never be willing to take risks, am I right? even if the risks are small.

it might sound funny but hands like AK or AA or QQ dont come to me at all... this time throughout the whole session of 40 hands there was a JJ and 77 the best hands. all the others are rubbish. thats why I got so impatient and 3betted. getting dirt all the time hand after hand. only folding never playing a single hand spending money on blinds.

Still flawed. There's no "safe" way to gamble

Honestly if you play hold'em long enough you're going to run into this situation enough to where it doesn't seem like a miracle when it happens.

Yeah but I just don't understand why seemingly tight players would all of a sudden call an all in having two pairs....

I'm also a tight player, I'm very very very hesitant to play, I usually fold 95% of hands. Sometimes I come to the casino and I just fold for an hour and then I leave.

Sometimes they tell me hey play at least some hands, even if they are not premium. I'm responding then it might involve bluffind, and you never know, even if you are good at it, what if it goes wrong, there is always a tiny odd that it might not go the way you want

How do you intend to win if you want the worse hands to fold not call? Is winning even your goal?

I think V calls your all-in since you 3-bet pf and since he had an ace he figured you probably didn't have AA, and might be making that play with AK, AQ, maybe KK. Also many LLSNL players think 2 pair is the nuts, especially if the board doesn't look too scary, and in this hand it didn't (I don't know if there was a possible flush since the suits weren't stated).

And you get action playing only 5% of your hands? I find that if I nit up like that I usually don't win too many big pots because the players are usually going to believe (in which they're right most of the time unfortunately) that I have a strong hand and fold. Occasionally I'm at a table where the players are so brain dead that you can nit it up like that and still get action with your monsters.

Usually when I get a good starting hand I start saying like 'I'm leaving anyways, thats just my fun bankroll for poker for this month, lemme just gamble, whos in?'. Usually almost all fold, I get heads up and win.
This time before that guy called I told him 'man, let me tell you, you don't have odds, I just want this 135$ pot, please don't call, just save your chips, I'm not bluffind I swear I don't need your money'.
I really didn't want his money (because it involved risk) but that guy didn't believe me and called...

Apart from that, I'm a recreational player, and I don't really like completely stacking people. It might make them really feel bad (it did make me feel bad), so I'm not 'all about money' guy. I don't want much money, just playing for fun, and not willing to take other people's money too much (to the extent its normal, but winning too much money is of course bad).
Sometimes on the instances that I stack people, when they seem really disappointed about that, I would return like 1/4 of their loss to them (not chips just cash), I think its a good gesture.
Once there was a very sweet lady at our poker table in LV, Nevada that I gave her entire 200$ loss back in cash. She was really happy about it. Its good sometimes to just give your winnings out.

You played 40 hands without getting AA?!?!?!?!?! Holy crap, that's crazy

I know right my friend? Cruel reality. Sometimes probability isn't entirely precise.