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asdfasdf32 · 06-28-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by serio562

I definitely would not raise but would always call. You only have to be right about one in every ten times in order for this call to be profitable on the river. Players at 2/3 do silly things and especially so at the Bike.

I would never raise a "normal" amount in this situation...but we're squeezing a little more value by going the mini-raise route (and it's only tenable because he bet such a small amount).

KDolla83 · 06-28-2012, 11:01 PM

I think flatting pre is standard and don't see any reason to 3-bet. I'm flatting his c-bet on this board too. Once he bets so small on OTT you can't fold. Same for the river. I don't think you can fold but I don't think you can raise for value on any streets.

Jeff76 · 06-28-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I also just setmine preflop.

We didn't hit our set. A tight, standard, ABC player, OOP, has just bet into two players. We're ahead of, like, 88. If he's doing this with AK, good for him.

FWIW, if we're constantly turning our setmining hands into something other by calling flop bets here and there, plus contemplating calling turn bets (including OOP in another recent thread by someone else), I'm not sure 20x implied odds preflop is going to be even remotely enough to breakeven on these hands.

I doubt I get to the turn, but I still don't see why we're calling along. This is bleeding money against this guy, IMO.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This is completely backwards. If you are playing for only set mining value you need more implied odds than if you are playing your pairs for value unimproved.

Jeff76 · 06-28-2012, 11:15 PM

I minraise the turn, fwiw. It's a freeze play- if there's any action after our raise we know we're beat, but there almost never will be. This will save us from making a bad fold or call on the river, and his small bet size ont the turn makes this a very enticing and cost effective option.

Garick · 06-28-2012, 11:34 PM

I hope to god you didn't fold river. R/F and just call are both fine here.

pacmandfk · 06-28-2012, 11:46 PM

well i ended up calling the river not raising the guy turned over KK. I wanted to fold the turn but i just couldnt it was so weak. I was surprised so many of you guys thought hed be barrelling AK here. Good to know though. Thanks 2+2 for the input

eldiesel · 06-29-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

So we're thinking this ABC guy is continuing to weakly barrel multiple streets to bluff us off our pair? Do ABC guys attempt to bluff guys off hands by betting $25 into $90? My guess he's concerned we might have a 6 or a bigger pocket pair and doesn't want to lose his shirt, meanwhile still getting some small value over 3 streets if he is ahead.

I'd feel more comfortable calling down with QQ cuz then at least we're ahead of some more hands we beat (JJ-99). Do straightforward ABC guys that don't get out of line even raise 88 in EP?

I know we're getting a good price, but it's seems kinda meh to me.

GcluelessNLnoobG

+1

People who think they're ABC players are often just nits. Even when guys peg opponents as ABC most of the time it means they're just really tight. It's amazing how many people think they're above being just a rec player and only 3bet pf KK+.

Muck_Faster · 06-29-2012, 12:39 AM

Given your read I almost never think he has AQ or AK here. I put him on JJ after reading first post and that range got face-up IMO by the river.

What sucks donkey balls is that we have to call with 99 (unless we can fold the flop) because his bets are so small/bad. So unless you could fold the flop the next two streets are super easy calls since he COULD have 66 or AK

gobbledygeek · 06-29-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff76

This is completely backwards. If you are playing for only set mining value you need more implied odds than if you are playing your pairs for value unimproved.

What I mean is that often there are those on here who say "I'm getting ~12x, whatever, good enough" and setmine. I'm saying that if we're often turning those setmining hands into spewy call a flop / see what happens, then ~12x ain't even remotely close to what we need to profitably setmine longterm.

I realize here than we're not really setmining, although I am cuz I think it's going to cost us too much money to find out if our meh pair is best in this case.

gobbledygeek · 06-29-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff76

I minraise the turn, fwiw. It's a freeze play- if there's any action after our raise we know we're beat, but there almost never will be. This will save us from making a bad fold or call on the river, and his small bet size ont the turn makes this a very enticing and cost effective option.

I almost suggested this too (should get us to showdown for pretty much as cheap as possible), but in the end I don't like it because I don't think a bigger pair is ever going to fold (which is also one of the reasons to do this play). If there was a high overcard on board I'd like it more because then there's a better chance we actually get a better hand to fold.