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Old 08-06-2012, 11:32 AM   #1
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2/2 KJo OOP vs Lag

Villian is a good lag and one of the better players in my book. Like there are 10 players who I consider good out of hundreds and he's one of them. Can make good plays, be creative and knows his opponents kinda. Also said he's been working on his game and leaving out spots that can be profitable but marginal. Think of squezing on the button with 67o. Good kid

Me on the other hand played very laggy and very creative for one month straight and every regular is aware of that I also played with him a couple of times so he knows. But the last few days Im nitting it up

Lag villian : 330
Hero : 350
Tag V2 : 150

Hero KJo on the sb.

Straddle, V2 calls, hero calls and lag calls.

(pot 16) Flop JT9r

Hero checks, Lag bets 12, fold, V2 calls, hero checkraises 40, lag 3bets to 110, V2 folds, Hero..?
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:36 AM   #2
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Easy fold, you also need to not c/r flop, I probably just call one street fold the turn if not improved. Even then if another J falls, I am not stacking off vs this guy.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:36 AM   #3
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Re: 2/2 KJo OOP vs Lag

What are the positions? It's kind of confusing. The PF action and flop action don't seem to match up. Is it button straddle?
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:37 AM   #4
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What are the positions? It's kind of confusing. The PF action and flop action don't seem to match up. Is it button straddle?
UTG straddle, BB is lag
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:37 AM   #5
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Re: 2/2 KJo OOP vs Lag

Yeah C/R is pretty bad with your hand. Just call the flop. As played fold.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:45 AM   #6
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Easy fold, you also need to not c/r flop, I probably just call one street fold the turn if not improved. Even then if another J falls, I am not stacking off vs this guy.
Can you explain to me why you would call and fold unimproved on the turn. This guy can barrel twice with a very wide range because he knows I can fold a large part of my range KJ, AJ too. What about leading oop? and if you get raised fold?
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:48 AM   #7
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Re: 2/2 KJo OOP vs Lag

Leading is fine in this spot.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:49 AM   #8
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Can you explain to me why you would call and fold unimproved on the turn. This guy can barrel twice with a very wide range because he knows I can fold a large part of my range KJ, AJ too. What about leading oop? and if you get raised fold?
It is one of those spots we cant afford to get in a pissing battle.


As spy stated, I like leading vs c/r
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:50 AM   #9
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These leveling wars are so not worth it. I would bet/eval flop. If I check flop I call bet and donk safe turns.

Whats the craise do? I don't understand for a couple reasons. You have less fold equity than normal given your image, so you aren't getting better to fold. Your value owning yourself. Villains range here has to be qj at minimal

AP I folded. You dug urself in this predicament.

Are you one of those that talks strategy at table?
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:53 AM   #10
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These leveling wars are so not worth it. I would bet/eval flop. If I check flop I call bet and donk safe turns.

Whats the craise do? I don't understand for a couple reasons. You have less fold equity than normal given your image, so you aren't getting better to fold. Your value owning yourself. Villains range here has to be qj at minimal

AP I folded. You dug urself in this predicament.

Are you one of those that talks strategy at table?
This probably came from "I am.very creative comment", that c/r was not creative.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:54 AM   #11
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Lol op is soooo creative this month!
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:56 AM   #12
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I think leading the flop is way better than the c/r. You don't rep much, especially when I am betting villain has noticed you nitting it up the last few days.

If he is pretty laggy there are a lot of 2p hands in his range when you are looking at just calling the straddle. I like leading for 12 and b/f here unless you can see the turn cheaply. Best case scenario you have 3 outs
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:59 AM   #13
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Anyone making a raise pre? Only one limper... I would w a winning image
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:05 PM   #14
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Anyone making a raise pre? Only one limper... I would w a winning image
Yes I would, only.thing that sucks is playing OOP, hero needs to know how to play post.

If hero raises, I like 24.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:17 PM   #15
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Re: 2/2 KJo OOP vs Lag

Oh god no. Thats why I use the forum for.

I agree the cr is a bad mistake thats why I posted the hand.

fwiw I folded ofc but I guess I thought maybe there could be a reasoning for the cr.

just figuring out things. What about leveling wars? Is it better to just play solid and let the regs level themselves? balance ranges giving them a chance to actually level themselves. Because I took a break for a week and re-evalated my game and there is really no need to level myself.
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