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Originally Posted by zooeyglass2
Fairly loose, not very deep 1-3 game at my local casino 7 handed. I am UTG with two black Qs and raise to ten and get 5 callers.
Bet more. You don't want 5 callers. I don't know what the standard bet sizing is where you play but where I play I'd make it like 20. Whatever size tends to get 1 - 2 callers is what you want.
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Originally Posted by zooeyglass2
Flop comes 4s9d5c. BB checks and I bet 25, solid player about 200 deep calls and another younger guy seems aggressive with around 300 also calls and the rest fold.
This flop smashes their calling ranges. Expect a lot of straight draws. You bet too small. You are giving odds to the straight draws to come along, especially after the first guy calls. I'd bet like 40 here.
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Originally Posted by zooeyglass2
So I am out of position with around 125 in the pot and Ac comes on the turn. I check and other two also check.
Seems fine. I sometimes wait about 5 seconds in spots like this to make it look like I'm considering a check-raise. You just don't want your check to be taken as weakness by the aggressive player. However, it's also decently likely someone has an Ace and you don't really want to bloat the pot here, so checking is fine. This is why playing OOP sucks.
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Originally Posted by zooeyglass2
I can already see the younger aggressive guy planning some sort of steal, so I'm not so much worried about him but the solid player between us has me worried as I think he would have checked an A there. Seems unlikely younger guy would have.
River comes the 8c making the board 4s9d5cAc8c, I check again, solid player checks and young ag player bets 60 into the 125. I think about for a bit maybe he caught the runner runner flush somehow or maybe my read is completely off and he really does have the ace, but I look at the solid and he is ready to instana call, not even paying the slightest attention to me so I fold.
I'd bet the river given the turn checked through. An Ace is not really strong enough to slowplay, though fish do slowplay it occasionally so I wouldn't be that surprised to see someone has an Ace, but you're usually good here. It could be argued you won't get calls from much worse hands but you might. The other players might be thinking you don't have an Ace so they'll call a bet with hands like JJ TT J9 T9 etc. as long as you don't make it overly large. Maybe bet like 65.
Fold is a mistake particularly given your read of this player as aggressive. He's just trying a steal most of the time and you're getting 245:60 or roughly 4:1 if you expect the solid player to call, meaning your QQ needs to be good only 20%, and it surely will be. If you call and the solid player folds you're getting over 3:1 and need to be good only 1 time in 4, which you surely are against an aggressive player.
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Originally Posted by zooeyglass2
Young ag kid says small pair and shows some junk like 47, solid player shows JJ to win pot of 245 that should have been mine.
Gotta be careful with this entitlement mentality. Just because you went in with the best hand on the flop doesn't mean the pot belongs to you. You have a certain amount of equity and expect to win the pot sometimes and lose it sometimes. It doesn't belong to you. It sucks because in this case you would have won calling, and calling is correct here, but sometimes one of the players has KK or A2 or they spiked two pair on the river with 98, or a straight with 76.
You should have called, but the $245 doesn't belong to you. I'd guess you hold up about 40% of the time with 5 callers so at best about $100 belongs to you, but even thinking about it like that is not helpful.
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Originally Posted by zooeyglass2
I couldn't even play anymore took the 100 I had left behind cashed out and got the **** out of there I was so pissed off. For one thing bluffs never work at that 1-3 game so wtf was that kid thinking it was obvious dude was not giving up his jacks. He might have got a read that I wasn't in love with my hand after the ace, but to try and get through two player in a fairly big pot for the game just seems ridiculous. Also he actually had some show down value with the pair. Maybe I should have just bombed another 50 on the turn like the ace didn't phase, but I think bank roll limitations are causing me to play too weak. I also really wish solid player would have three bet preflop with his jacks or even raised the 25 I bet on the flop with his over pair, but I think my tight table image caused him to really think I had the QQ, KK, or AA.
I wasn't there but when there's an Ace turn and it gets checked through, then the PFR checks again on the river, a bluff actually has a decent chance of working. From the bluffer's perspective, it only needs to work 60/185 = ~1 time in 3. And in my games it will. But in any case, don't worry about whether the guy made a mistake or not. Just concentrate on how to play your hand.
And forget the wishful thinking about the guy 3-betting with JJ. It's useless. And if he did 3-bet, how confident do you feel with your QQ? Are you going to shove? If so you're going to run into KK+ a lot. It's just trading one problem for another, and frankly you have no control over whether he 3-bets so just forget about it.
Sounds like you might be playing underrolled and also have some problems with tilt control. This is a dangerous combination. Always remember the results of individual hands are largely random. Just play your game. Focus on the things you can control. And if you're underrolled, don't play to make money because it's going to stress you out. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with your future play.