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12-24-2016 , 05:24 PM
Limit: 1/3NLHE
Casino: Private NYC game (players are on average better than your vegas Casino)

Hero ($575): Standard TAG image, haven't really gotten out of line, but have been all-in twice and won both
Villain ($700): Not standard play, plays a pretty passive game but regularly c-bet folds and takes stabs at multi-way pots he has no business in

Hand
Preflop:
Villain opens to $15 in Hijack
Hero dealt AA in the BTN, 3bets to $50
Villain calls

Flop ($100):
TT6
Villain checks
Hero checks

Turn ($100):
TT6 J
Villain bets $75
Hero calls

River ($250):
TT6 J 4
Villain bets $125
Hero ???


What range does Villain do this with? What's your move?

Thx!

Last edited by Tbirdx24; 12-24-2016 at 05:48 PM.
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12-24-2016 , 05:30 PM
Never told us stack sizes.

Never folding question is call/raise/jam?

Vs a lot you can jam river vs this Villain probably just a call.

I am glad you checked flop it is a good check.

V's range is TT-KK most likely maybe some JTs-ATs hands. Maybe some AQs-AKs and some AKo.
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12-24-2016 , 05:32 PM
Bet flop.

As played, call turn and river. We have great equity, but raising can push out the hands we beat.

Also, include stack sizes.
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12-24-2016 , 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dochrohan

I am glad you checked flop it is a good check.

What makes you think that? I think c-bets are more expected in 3bet pots so I'd think V could float us w/ AK/Q here if we go low. Are you trying to give V a chance to improve on this dry flop to extract more when he does connect + disguise our hand?
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12-24-2016 , 05:39 PM
What do you think his range for calling 3bets OOP is? Judging by your read I would think he probably calls more than he should so he could have a pretty wide range. 88+, QJs+, KQo+, ATo+, mayb even Axs+?

My opinion is that if you ever Cbet dry flops like this as a bluff then you should continue to do it with your value hands as well. +1 if you planned on going for your value on turn and river bets though.

As it played out, I also call the 3/4ths pot bet on Turn. I think you are ahead of the majority of his range that I identified earlier. A fair amount of the range connects with the J and also has some decent draws (KQ etc...) I think folding is silly and raising is unlikely to be get a call from worse.

The river lead seems weak compared to the turn bet. I still think you are ahead of almost his entire range and if he had a Ten it would be unlucky. Call 125 to win 375...you only have to be right 25÷ of the time and I think you would be. Villain may be discounting a lot of high pairs due to the checkback on the flop.

Summary: I like call turn and call river. The passivity read slightly contradicts taking stabs at pots he doesn't have any right to. Overall, I wouldn't read much into it other than they are likely a poor player.

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12-24-2016 , 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
What makes you think that? I think c-bets are more expected in 3bet pots so I'd think V could float us w/ AK/Q here if we go low. Are you trying to give V a chance to improve on this dry flop to extract more when he does connect + disguise our hand?
It is too dry of a board to get value from passive for multiple streets consistently.

We give him a chance to either improve, or think is already made hand is good and he can turn hands that are not made into bluffs. You have an argument for when we are OOP and almost none IP. We increase our chance to extract multiple streets by checking and we actually keep his range wide. When you can-bet and he calls it gets more snug and you are hoping he does not have Tx along with him calling your turn barrels. I like the c-bet vs a thinking player and you mix in a turn check.
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12-24-2016 , 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dochrohan
It is too dry of a board to get value from passive for multiple streets consistently.

We give him a chance to either improve, or think is already made hand is good and he can turn hands that are not made into bluffs. You have an argument for when we are OOP and almost none IP. We increase our chance to extract multiple streets by checking and we actually keep his range wide. When you can-bet and he calls it gets more snug and you are hoping he does not have Tx along with him calling your turn barrels. I like the c-bet vs a thinking player and you mix in a turn check.
100% agree here. I think the flop check is the right play for this reason vs. this villain. If he was a much better player and had seen me play a while, I could buy the argument to c-bet here like I would with all my bluffs, but he's not on that level.

Added stack sizes, sorry about that. Effective stack was $575.
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12-25-2016 , 12:41 AM
Flop check is OK. You should be betting more then checking but checking is a good mix it up play. Once you take this line you have to call turn and river. The whole point of checking flop is to under represent your hand and induce some bluffs and value bets from worse hands. Villain would have to be a known nit or you would have to have some other strong read to fold.
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12-25-2016 , 01:22 AM
River is either a call or a shove. Folding would be ridiculous. If V has ever seen you bluff raise, or is the type of player who will level himself into a call because you rep nothing, then it's an easy shove.
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12-25-2016 , 03:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbirdx24
Limit: 1/3NLHE
Casino: Private NYC game (players are on average better than your vegas Casino)

Hero ($575): Standard TAG image, haven't really gotten out of line, but have been all-in twice and won both
Villain ($700): Not standard play, plays a pretty passive game but regularly c-bet folds and takes stabs at multi-way pots he has no business in

Hand
Preflop:
Villain opens to $15 in Hijack
Hero dealt AA in the BTN, 3bets to $50
Villain calls

Flop ($100):
TT6
Villain checks
Hero checks

Turn ($100):
TT6 J
Villain bets $75
Hero calls

River ($250):
TT6 J 4
Villain bets $125
Hero ???


What range does Villain do this with? What's your move?

Thx!
Full range probably KK-JJ, TT, 66, AJs-ATs, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s. Sizing ott a touch big for TT, but 66/JJ might 75/125 it. 98s seems less frequent given description but it's possible.

River is a snap call.
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12-25-2016 , 03:09 AM
Call turn. Evaluate river. Raising turn makes no sense as you just fold out all of his bluffs. Always remember a 10 is the most common card in a villains limp/calling range and if this villain has a wide opening range 10/8-A/10 are in what he might call you with since you're deep. There is a very real possibility he could have it. There is also a very real possibility he has you on AK now since you checked the flop. So he could be betting a pocket pair here for value/protection of his hand. I think you have to call and wait for the river to reveal his true hand strength.
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