Hero: Mid 20s, known as an aggressive player.

Villain: low 20s, hasn't been too active. Saw him lose set over set and shoved turn once with nut flush draw.

Villain 2: 30s, pretty drunk and gunning for me since I bluffed him in a huge pot. He's actually still a decent player and picks up on weakness pretty well (except in that one hand against me). Whenever he senses weakness he raises with anything and continues all streets.

Stacks: Hero - 700, Villain - 300, Villain 2 - 200

Pre-Flop
Villain (UTG + 1) raises to 12
Villain 2 (CO) calls

Hero is in SB w/ QQ and calls

I usually 3bet here, but with Villain 2, I know he is literally playing any 2 cards right now and would fold to a 3bet and I want to give him the opportunity to bluff off his stack against me.

Flop ($39)
Q85

Hero bets $20

Since I know Villain 2 is a good player and acts on weakness, I tried to take a line that screams Q bad kicker here by donking out hoping he would raise.

Villain 1 calls
Villain 2 folds (ok my plan failed miserably. Time for Plan B...extract value)

Turn ($79):
Q858

Hero bets $65
Villain calls

River ($209):
Q858Q

Hero ???

Villain has $200 behind. I thought villains range was dominated by club draws, and TT-JJ (and AQ before the last Queen came on the river). I can't see him having KK-AA since he would have protected that hand against the draws on the flop. If he has AX, he might call a small bet thinking his A high is good on the river. Other than that, I am not sure what calls a bet on this river unless he has me on a missed draw.

Based on all this, what do you guys do on the river?

Shove, bet small, or check hoping he bets?

Any thoughts, or even feedback on different lines to take with this hand would be helpful.

Thanks,

Snap shove IMO. Betting like 120 is 2nd best. Don't check.. Unless he has like KJ or JT both of clubs and wants to bluff at it, I think his whole range is checked back

I think you over-adjusted to the fact that CO likes to attack weakness by flatting pf. Yes, you do have 1 reason to flat pf but the usual reasons to raise still apply and outweigh your creative reason to flat imo. Besides, it's going to be hard for you to accomplish your goal of inducing the CO from oop with UTG+1 in the middle

He's unlikely to bluff missed draws on that board. This isnt V2. Your plan turned to value remember?

I'd go with Zeebo's Theorum. It's extremely profitable

Shove

The problem with the river is that you basically are crushing the deck and have to hope that villain has 8x (which given his call seems like definite possibility). If he does not, then you are unlikely to get any action from him. Villain will probably never bluff a missed draw on this type of board and will probably never bet 8x from value, so checking is the worst option because you will get a check back almost 100% of the time. Shoving is second worst imo because you give villain the opportunity to fold an 8, however, if you make a smallish value bet you make it very difficult for your opponent to fold an 8. I like a sizing of about $100 in this spot.

So basically: Small bet>Shove>check/raise

Thanks for the responses. Alright so seems like what I did dictates what most of you say is the best play, but maybe my sizing was a bit smaller. I ended up tossing in 4 green chips ($100) and villain thought a while and eventually called. I never get to see his hand, but I'm guessing he must have had an 8.

I think shoving if you had Quad 8's would be the best bet because, he most likely has a Q for the full house. But with quad Queen's you need to extract maximum value without him folding. The $100 bet was ok. $125 maybe would do the trick too.

If I had the 8 for the lower full house, there's no way i'm calling an all-in on the river. Neither should anyone else for that matter

I disagree. If he's calling 100 he'll call 200. Also a 'smallish' bet looks like a value bet...shoving looks bluffy

Zeebo's theorum is proven. Believe in it. Clear shove for value here

Shoving also sets up bluffs later on where your value bet wont help you set anything up...and no POB's dont work anymore...not since 2008

Always favor the most aggression action imo