Hero sat down about 45 min ago and has gone from $300 to &540 fairly quickly. I should be preceived as competent tag. Relevant hand history is first hand 4 limpers in a straddled pot and V1 raises cutoff to $30. Hero 4 bets to $105 and he folds. Hero had to show because short tack jammed. Hero showed TT


V1: young Asian with headphones. Looks solid tag and I would guess at least semi pro or at least solid reg. Button. $500

V2: plays very loose passive. He has shown down monsters but plays them SO passively (x/c oop all the way down with a set of KK for example). $300





OTTH:

V1 button straddle. One limper. V2 limps (as he's been doing like 90% of hands). Hero with AA in sb raises to $25. V1 and V2 call.

Flop ($75): J76r

Hero bets $45. V1 raises to $100. V2 thinks for a bit and cold calls.

Hero? And game plan going forward if we choose to go forward?

So... what did you 3 bet with? (limpers = 1 bet, V's raise to $30 = 2bet, your raise $105 = 3bet)

As far as reads, with 45 minutes at the table, you've only seen 15-22 hands. I wouldn't assume anyone is semi-pro at this point, especially someone who straddles in 100bb capped games. Just realize so far, he leans "TAG". Continue probing for leaks to exploit by looking at patterns in betting frequency and sizing. Replay all the hands you see showdowns with and try to put yourself in the players' shoes.

Anywho... what's below here is an edit. I understood now from V descriptions who has what position. Considering the very passive player raised us, it means he has a 2p or set. Did you see him limp the KK pf?... because that means we can range him for JJ, which adds another set combo I wouldn't assign to BTN.

V2 is committed & there's not enough in the pot to try to out-stack for those odds, which are about 1:3.7 vs a range of all possible sets & 2p. We might be better against V1 if he's less solid than you assume. If he's good, he must realize that a calling station's re-raise screams dominance. We don't have direct odds to draw to the turn where we'll likely get pushed off the hand, so I think folding is the best.

Sorry I updated HH. Swapped V1 and 2 a bit.

And yes, my reads are within those 45 minutes so very small size. Idk what "who's on first here?" means. OP updated. V1 is tag on button V2 is loose passive in HJ

Good advice on not labeling anyone so fast in a small sample size

The hand still makes no sense. If he straddle BTN and you were SB wouldn't that mean you were first to act? And V2 couldn't limp yet? And on the flop if you are SB and V1 is BTN how did V2 cold call???

Ok sorry guys. I'm at dinner in my phone typing this. Mods if you can update that would be great:

V1 Young tag is button and straddle; V2 loose passive is HJ. V2 limped and action is put on me and I raise and V1 and V2 call; I bet flop and V2 raises and V1 cold calls from button


At the wynn, if button straddles UTG is first to act; sorry for the confusion guys

Perceived TAG raises flop and super passive cold calls = difficult decision.

Super passive raises flop and perceived TAG cold calls = easy fold.

I don't understand what you are worried about here, based on your reads, you 90%+ likely either have the 2nd best hand or the 3rd best hand and you have 2 outs to improve. Fold now and save your stack.

Also, I'm probably not rating anyone as competent within 45 minutes observation at a 1/3 table. If I was at this table, I'm assuming that you and the young Asian 'pro' are both bad, it's just I don't know exactly how you are bad if I haven't seen any obvious mistakes yet.

Bet folding AA on a J76r to a min click and flat... really? This just has to be bad and redic exploitable. Is 15-20 hands of reads really enough to justify this?

exploitable? How are you going to be exploited vs unknowns in 20 hands at the lowest of live stakes.

You're just burning the $55 to call and going to fold every turn when they bet.

I didn't suggest we fold face-up, so I have no idea how they are supposed to know we folded AA and therefore exploit us.

I'm a little confused by preflop action; doesn't SB act first preflop on a Button straddle? Anyhoo, I'd be targetting loose V2's stack and raise to $30+ (hopefully isolating him and losing V1).

Having the good V1 come along and creating a dicey SPR of 6 really makes the hand much more difficult to play. We simply can't stack off postflop against V1 having given him 20+ implied odds, but being OOP in this small SPR pot is going to make things very difficult.

Again, super confused by postflop action. How is V1 on Button acting before V2? HH really should be cleaned up.

Anyhoo, I would have actually checked the flop and gone from there.

As played, I probably just give up and fold. We really need to plan out the hand, and while preflop has set us up for a difficult situation I'm assuming we didn't think V1 would come along. But V1 has come along, and now we have to plan postflop *before* we make our first move. We should have known what we were going to do facing a raise before we bet, and if we weren't comfortable in folding then we probably shouldn't have bet.

GimoG