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06-27-2017 , 03:30 PM
Hero: 20s/30s white male. Playing fairly tight ABC, been card dead while villain has been at table, one limp and fold on flop is all he's seen. Stack $800

Villain: 30s/40s white male. Has a nice suit on and seems comfortable at the table. He's only been here 30 min but has raised pf and cbet to take it down. Called some raises and folded flop too. I'd say LAG but hard to say on the looseness, could just be getting cards. Stack $280

HH: V raised to 15 in SB against some limpers, UTG+1 called and one LP called. Flop A92 v bets 30 UTG+1 calls other folds. Turn 7 v bets 75 and UTG+1 folds, v lifts his cards up enough that I see QQ before he mucks.

On to the hand

UTG limps, folds to Hero in UTG+2 raises to 15 with AQ, villain in HJ calls, folds to UTG who calls.

Flop: AQT (pot=$45)

UTG checks, hero bets 30, villain calls, UTG folds.

Turn: AQTT (pot=$100)

Hero...?
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06-27-2017 , 03:40 PM
On the flop, we've got an awkward SPR of just under 6. If we pot the flop (which would be my normal move here), that will setup awkward stacks of $220 behind in a $135 pot, so a $100 bet would result in a $335 pot with just a lol $120 left. Kinda wonky SPR to deal with, thanks mainly to this going 3ways instead of HU (I would probably raise a lot more preflop to try to get around this).

Board is drawy. A zillion scare cards. Could easily smash a preflop raisers calling range (two pair, pair + draw). No one ever folds a draw on the flop. So all told, thanks to this wonky SPR I would lean towards a big overbet on the flop to setup a turn shove, something like $75. I'll get flamed for that no doubt. But what I really don't understand is the sizing we went with. What calls $30 that doesn't call $45? Nothing.

Turn is kinda of an expected spot, although thankfully not a horrible turn card by any means. Still think our stacks suck at this point and we'll be left with a lol amount for the river when committed facing a zillion scare cards. Anyways, I just PSB.

GwonkySPR,imoG
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06-27-2017 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
What calls $30 that doesn't call $45?

A5s, KQo, QJo, etc


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06-27-2017 , 06:14 PM
In these situations, I think about if there is any bet size I would call if I checked. If the answer is no, I'd just x/f. If yes, then I'd bet that much. Yes, it is a scary board, but unless he smashed it, it should be a scary board for him too. If he raises, you have a decision to make, which mostly should be to fold.

As for the description, a guy who has raised one hand and called several hands is likely loose after 30 minutes, but certainly isn't aggressive.
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06-27-2017 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
A5s, KQo, QJo, etc
Obviously a slippery slope argument to have here (I realize that simply adding on $1 each time will eventually get me to concluding that if someone calls $30 they're calling $1billion just as often), but for the most part, I think there is little difference (if any) of those stated hands calling frequency to bets of $30 vs $45. They're both reasonable and yet non-trivial. Obviously the calling frequency between unreasonable bets, say of $5 versus $75 (admittedly my suggestion) will differ greatly.

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06-27-2017 , 06:45 PM
Hand wp, now keep barreling. X/c stuff like AK/AJ/weak Ax, top two too strong here to put into checking range. Needa get value
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06-27-2017 , 07:14 PM
I bet about $75. Fold if he raises; I doubt he raises with anything less than a T. I want to charge his draws and keep his weaker hands in.

If you have seen him stab at pots and be a little laggy, check/calling and evaluating rivers is OK, too, but it doesn't seem as if you know that much about him in only 30 minutes.
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06-27-2017 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Obviously a slippery slope argument to have here (I realize that simply adding on $1 each time will eventually get me to concluding that if someone calls $30 they're calling $1billion just as often), but for the most part, I think there is little difference (if any) of those stated hands calling frequency to bets of $30 vs $45. They're both reasonable and yet non-trivial. Obviously the calling frequency between unreasonable bets, say of $5 versus $75 (admittedly my suggestion) will differ greatly.



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It's all about perception. Fish perceive a PSB as BIG and STRONG, but $30 is just another CBET that is called to find out where they stand based on our turn action.
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06-27-2017 , 11:11 PM
I'm betting...if he's aggressive c/r is so sexy imo. Board looks scary but the turn doesn't hit that much of his made hand range. Plus more draws come in and opponent might think paired T makes his hand safer because he may think he's chopping pair of aces now.

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06-28-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
It's all about perception. Fish perceive a PSB as BIG and STRONG, but $30 is just another CBET that is called to find out where they stand based on our turn action.
Not on the flop for just a handful of red chips they don't; there's no difference between 6 red chips and 9 red chips.

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06-29-2017 , 12:49 AM
UTG limps, folds to Hero in UTG+2 raises to 15 with AQ, villain in HJ calls, folds to UTG who calls.

Flop: AQT (pot=$45)

UTG checks, hero bets 30, villain calls, UTG folds.

Turn: AQTT (pot=$100)

Hero bets 60, villain thinks for a sec, says "60?" then raises to 160 leaving himself with ~70 behind. Hero?
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06-29-2017 , 08:48 AM
I am just not sure he bluffs this, but you have so little info on him. He might have a hand like AJ or A9 and not think he's bluffing. I'd need a feel for his demeanor at the table.

At first I thought bet/fold, but now I'm not so sure. What in the world could he put you on, though, that raises pre, bets flop and bets turn? Very tough hand w/o better reads.
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06-29-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NebDanger

Hero bets 60, villain thinks for a sec, says "60?" then raises to 160 leaving himself with ~70 behind. Hero?
This is really tough, it looks really strong. The range of hands you looking to get value from with the turn bet is pretty narrow, AK/AJ/maybe Ax, QJss/QKss, while KJ and QT/AT/TJ/TK(?) are now ahead. I'm not sure what hands he called flop with that he is now deciding to bluff with. AK with king of spades? I don't know, seems doubtful.

I think I probably fold here but it's not so easy.
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06-29-2017 , 12:00 PM
This is Tx or KJ like always. Not sure what's so tough when they're raising turn and turning their hands face up. Thank him for not just calling and extracting more $$ from you OTR.
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06-30-2017 , 12:47 AM
Just fold.

From theory pov anyway you're at the bottom of your value betting range here ott (you have a ton of FH here and dont rly have any bluffs), so folding isnt too bad even if you fold the winner occasionally. Tho I expect this to be Tx/KJ/FH basically always
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