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05-28-2017 , 08:26 PM
Eff stacks $300+

Hand 1: 6-way limped straddled pot, H has A4cc in LP

FLOP ($36): J72cc
Checks to H, H bets $25, only one guy to my immediate right calls (ranging on Jx or worse FDs?)

TURN ($86): 2d
Checks through (V was faking to try and bet then decided to check)

RIVER ($86): Qs
V bets $25, H folds like a *****

He's obviously capped at Jx or Qxcc here I guess? But I'm not sure if raising looks credible here as I checked turn.



Hand 2: Straddled pot, 1 call, H makes it $30 with AdJc in MP1, only one caller in BB (old guy, bad rec)

FLOP ($75): T82ccc
V donks $30, H folds

Not sure I can get him off JJ/QQ/Ac or something by raising although I've seen him bet/fold $40 into $300 earlier on a flushing card. Also, don't like floating as I could already be drawing dead.
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05-28-2017 , 09:46 PM
Both hands are fine. Here's something alot of the hot shots are to ego bloated to tell you. Folding like a **** is the easiest way to print money in live poker.

That's because there is very little fold equity ever. And in a game where people don't fold, we don't bluff. We value bet/raise. Alot.
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05-29-2017 , 12:13 AM
Both are fine. Second one is sort of marginal but without some sort of read on your opponent I'd let it go.
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05-29-2017 , 12:50 AM
In live cash I wouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about calling down with ace high getting 4:1. That's some tournament poker BS. Don't beat yourself up about it and profitably fold. Second hand is a fold on the flop too. You have enough posts on 2+2 (way more than me) to have a strong grasp of the fundamentals so I would consider if this post is indicative of other concerns (tilt or bankroll). It seems like you're playing correctly in both spots so it could be something else.

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05-29-2017 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Both hands are fine. Here's something alot of the hot shots are to ego bloated to tell you. Folding like a **** is the easiest way to print money in live poker.

That's because there is very little fold equity ever. And in a game where people don't fold, we don't bluff. We value bet/raise. Alot.
Lol. This is bad advice. Fish manage to both fold too often and call too often, sounds like youve only learned how to take advantage of one of those things.

Both hands were played fine. Donk bets are a bit strange because its almost aleays a weak made hand or a draw, which vs a good player means a raise could get a fold, but you cant raise them off it, so basically you print money raising with strong hands, and save money with hands you missed with. Against abc regs who donk, you can raise them off it for a fold.
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05-29-2017 , 04:37 AM
Hand 1, I don't play without reads so that's strange but in general I'd mix in some calls, some folds, and some raises here depending on the villain and our image. I'd recommend you fold hand 2.
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05-29-2017 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Hand 1, I don't play without reads so that's strange but in general I'd mix in some calls, some folds, and some raises here depending on the villain and our image.

Wait. You fold a suited ace in LP in a limped pot?
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05-29-2017 , 06:54 AM
Sorry, I was referring to the river action.
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05-29-2017 , 01:46 PM
H1:

I'd bet less on the flop (a 1/2 PSB should prove the exact same results as a 2/3 PSB will), but other than that I play it exactly the same. We got our chips in most likely a high equity situation and didn't put any chips in a low equity situation (where's it's possible we were drawing dead on the turn), it's totally fine even if once and a blue moon we fold the best hand on the river to a bluffing busted flush draw (who are never expecting a fold to a lol < 1/3 PSB anyways).

H2:

Nothing wrong with folding AJo in EP/MP preflop. But also insta folding the flop and thanking the old guy (in my head) for not checking and collecting a cbet from me.

Git'sfine,imoG
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05-29-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Both hands are fine. Here's something alot of the hot shots are to ego bloated to tell you. Folding like a **** is the easiest way to print money in live poker.
+1

Even though there are others that will disagree (such as Tomark), you can still do perfectly well (and perhaps even better that just well) using this weak fold-like-a-little-***** method.

Git'sfine,imoG
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05-29-2017 , 06:01 PM
I can understand EP but you fold AJo in MP? Seems kinda tight no? Especially when we know to bet/fold postflop.
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05-29-2017 , 06:10 PM
Both are fine - h2 is read dependent though, can see merits for fold/call/raise
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