Table has been mostly passive pre and been able to limp in often without being raised. Average stacks are a little under 100bb. Think I cover everyone in the hand. Hero hasn't played too many hands recently as he's been card dead. Seem to be getting folds I didn't expect pre.

Hero limps J9hh EP. 3 more limps and SB folds so 5 to the flop.

Flop comes QT7ccd. Checks to MP limper, okay a little aggressive player, who bets 12 and gets 3 calls so I overcall as well. I guess I really have 6 outs.

Turn is 8o and checks to me. Pot is ~60...best play is?




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Never limp this hand in EP. If you had raised this would be a very clean and easy hand to play - but really, just fold from EP.

AP Check is cool. It looks like you have the aggressor and a couple of callers left to act, which means you should have the opportunity to trap a lot of money in the pot and jam over the top of it.

I wouldn't be able to get away with limping J9s in EP nowadays at my table, so I fold it. You managed to see a cheap flop, so I can't hate, although I certainly hope there are some postflop payoff stations at the table to make this profitable.

Getting 5+:1 and most likely closing the action and with so many others in the hand that could possibly pay off if we hit, I likely call too. However, I'm going to be extremely cautious if a flush magic card comes (probably checking and folding if anyone shows any interest). We also can't discount AJ at all, and might have to be a little wary of a K. Still, I don't think we can pass on these odds yet.

One of only 3 nut outs on the turn, nice. With 4 others interested in the pot, I'm simply donking a PSB of $60 and hoping we get some action.

ETA: At a table that is passive preflop, I'm not going to expect someone to do my betting for me postflop. Sounds like we only have one aggro player in the hand, and even though we are in perfect position to check to him, see a bet and then some calls before springing a check/raise, I'm guessing even an aggro guy starts slowing down in a 5way pot. But I don't hate a turn check/raise plan if someone is going to bet a lot of the time.

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This is bad IMO because if the aggressor had a draw, there is a good chance this checks through, which of any scenario possible is the worst. By a lot. We either get outdrawn on the river (with at least 14 cards we dont want to see) or kill our action.

There's $70 in the pot, we are somewhere around $250 deep or less against the various Vs. Just open shove. If they are calling $100 they'll call $250. If not, we take the pot. It's one of the reasons to not play hands like this in EP, even when we hit we don't have enough information to maximize.

This is worse than checking... If there's $70 in the pot, $100 isn't likely the best bet to get value. Open shoving is just bad...

I would lead out myself for $50. That 8 should hit a decent amount of the various Vs ranges that may end up checking the turn back (98, T9, JT, QJ). I think there's too many players in the hand to expect MP to keep firing here which is why I prefer leading myself.

Agree that folding here preflop is best. If it's a super tight table I might consider opening (and/or changing tables) but would definitely not be my default.

Why would we size our bet to beg for callers when any club (9), any 9 (2), any A (3) or J (2) (so like 2/5th of the remaining deck) are terrible river cards and we would be oop in a giant bloated pot but also a large stack size remaining?

Because 3/5 of the deck are good for us and we can keep getting value. And some of the bad cards you mentioned we chop with so it's not a disaster if they come. Sure we're in a tricky spot on a good chunk of rivers but we're not giving direct odds for anything to outdraw us. We also may give someone a chance to make 2 pair or a worse straight if we don't blow them off their hand.

Open shove is horrible lol. Might as well show them your hand, no one would call that unless they had the same hand. I hate the logic that "if he'll call x he will call x" because at some point a line will cross where they'll fold. I think anything over 50 folds out most draws with 1 street remaining.

Ap bet out for 45-50.

3 players to act behind us, blocking lot of SDs, bettor last street got two callers behind (I think), turn completes limped gutters/2p, it's a decent risk to take.