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07-27-2017 , 11:11 AM
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Javanewt
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Yes you are, its a textbook example. Youre hammering on the fact that YOU think that villain should have folded a 5 high flush to the riverraise. Youre showing us that you want villain to play the way you think poker should be played.

But youre missing the big picture, it doesent matter one second what YOU think villain should be doing. They play the way they want with their amount of rationale and logic behind it.

My prediction is that many players winrates would go up significantly if they change the approach and avoid the kind of flawed approach youre illustrating with your statements.

Focus on what your villains is actually doing,accept it: and adjust relentlessly.
LOL. You just backed what I was saying, only not very well and you will never understand that you did, anyway.
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07-27-2017 , 12:12 PM
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This is a silly thread. Villain's line says he has a flush. Doesn't matter how many combos he has pre when he's exclusively repping those combos. So just call and hope it's a spazz.
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07-27-2017 , 01:03 PM
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This is a silly thread. Villain's line says he has a flush. Doesn't matter how many combos he has pre when he's exclusively repping those combos. So just call and hope it's a spazz.
This thread isn't silly, brought up some good (yet heated) discussion. I strongly disagree that his range is flushes only.
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07-27-2017 , 01:11 PM
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Can the river be close and not as polarizing as some on both sides are making it out to be?

OP is going to run into some hands like Villain ended up with here and feel like an aggro idiot when he raises.

OP is also going to run into a lotta two pair+ hands that probably woulda paid off a raise a large percentage of the time and feel like a passive idiot when he just calls.

Gconclusion:nomatterwhatOPdoes,he'sanidiot,smileyf aceG
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07-27-2017 , 06:28 PM
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I don't consider a half pot bet a blast. Maybe the reason to just check the river is because he can't call with much and we are ahead of everything but a flush. However, he probably should have folded a 5-high flush to hero's raise, because hero should easily have bigger flushes in his range. I would have played KdQd, KdJd or QdJd or even 9d8d or 9d7d the same way from the button. Nobody can fold a flush, though.
Lol you can't be serious.

You can't expect villain to bet-call river with worse hands than a set and then say he should have folded a flush.

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07-27-2017 , 06:38 PM
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So you aren't handreading at all, it's basically the opposite, your just drawing from experience
This is actually super basic hand reading. Probably 100% of J9, T9, 98, 97, 65, 54 of diamonds play this way to the river. Possibly more if he is loose pre.

There arent a lot of combos two pairs (T9 is especially hard) that play this way. Usually they would have raised by the turn, and usually they dont lead this river.

Calling is reasonable because you are likely winning more than 25% of the time vs a randomly overplayed hand, but raising is going to own yourself more often than not.

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07-27-2017 , 09:09 PM
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Can the river be close and not as polarizing as some on both sides are making it out to be?

OP is going to run into some hands like Villain ended up with here and feel like an aggro idiot when he raises.

OP is also going to run into a lotta two pair+ hands that probably woulda paid off a raise a large percentage of the time and feel like a passive idiot when he just calls.

Gconclusion:nomatterwhatOPdoes,he'sanidiot,smileyf aceG
This is what I think. I'm not too upset about the hand, I think it's a close spot and my bet prob wasn't very +/- in either way. I am glad that the responses (from the first day anyway) were about 50/50, and reasonablly backed up no matter which side you were on.

But the last day's posts and their bitter fighting, smdh. I've never unsubbed from my own thread before, but I'm out.
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