Hero: Late 20s white male. Only been at the table for less than 30 min so any image is simply superficial, if villain is even taking it into consideration. Stack $300

Villain: 20s white male. Just moved to my direct right. He has been in a few pots but mostly calling preflop to fold on flop. Another hand he raised IP preflop and got folds. He gives off more of a degen vibe but don't put too much stock in it. Stack $225

Table seems like it's gonna start getting action, had two hands back to back with a lot of money in the middle, both before this. The previous hand had a bluff and a good bluff call for 100bb starting stacks. Most stacks are hovering around 75-100bb.

On to the hand

Hero opens to 15 UTG with QQ, folds around to BTN who calls, SB calls, and villain calls in BB.

Flop: 883 (pot=$60)

Villain donks 45, hero...?

Well you cant fold, and raising is just pretty bad on a super dry board

If table looks like it is going to start getting loose actiony, I probably go for the limp/raise preflop.

It's not a great preflop result, imo. 4ways, each only putting in 5% of stacks and getting terrific 23+ implied odds, and yet the SPR is only 4.75 so someone will be able to force us to play for stacks postflop trivially.

Can't see what else we can do other than call the flop. I think it's too early to fold (although against some nits I think we can make a soul read super mega hero fold). And I don't see what the point of raising is since (a) if we want to play for stacks by the river we can still trivially do that in position by calling it off and (b) raising might get good worse hands to hero fold.

I mean, yeah, we'll only have a PSB left on the turn (and will probably be feeling pretty committed), but on this dry board no reason to fold out worse / get called only by better with a flop raise.

GimoG

Sometimes I verbalize call. Other times I cut a stack in half and slide it out, while pulling the 1 red bird off the top, all in one motion. Still other times I throw in 2 greens.

Okay, I feel like there isn't much debate here, so I'll move along.

Hero calls.

Turn: 8836 (pot=$150)

Villain slides his stack over the line. Hero?

Yeah this is a call for me


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Assuming SB check folded the flop, I'm inclined to raise here to be honest.

You have to ask why would he ever donk a flop that he hits so hard (if it's an 8)

Without a 3 bet pre I can't put him AA or KK especially if he likes to gamble. If you're beat it's a cooler imo but I actually definitely raise this flop, ensuring it will cost him to hit any of his outs.

As played snap call turn especially with Qc and if you lose it's a cooler.

I'm probably sigh stacking off at this point, even though our hand looks exactly like it is. If Villains are ******ed / degen enough they show up with enough head shaking JJ-99 / etc. here. You'd think an 8 might slowplay it a little more (perhaps checking back a street, perhaps doing 3 small bets). On the con side, with him being on the Button I think there is still a chance he shows up with AA/KK (just flatting preflop in position and believing there is an ok chance pot goes HU).

GcluelessNLnoobG

It's just so often a pp. Call flop. Call turn. Win.

Totally sigh calling at 75BB effective. Six reasonable 8x combos (A8s/98s/87s) plus some lol KK+. He doesn't need that many JJ-99/77 combos to make calling correct. I think 88/33 slowplay.

I'm curious where others draw the line and fold? TT/99?

Preflop and Flop are good.

V is in BB.

I think flop is fine, and I'm calling here without a lot of thought, I guess. Trips/boats tend to slowplay so much, and we're the only one in the hand to call, so it doesn't matter if we're faceup, since we likely will be in a second anyway. Plus I'm looking at pps from TT down making this kind of play and putting H on AK. If he boated 66, oops. But I think we're ahead here enough.

Ha, I misread that, which means very unlikely he shows up with AA/KK.

GcluelessNLnoobG

With action brewing at table I'd go $20 PF.

I'm guessing no one else called flop donk?

Call flop, prob puke call turn. May be able to find a fold if villain seems strong on turn, would need more info.


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Thanks for the responses all. I agree with everyone's assessment that I should call it off.

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