Hero (500) : ywg, been quite active.
Villain (520) : late 30s asian guy. Seems solid, only been at the table 20 or so minutes. Seems like a reg.

Btn straddle, I raise utg $20 with QcQh, loose Brazilian guy calls, V calls in MP, BB calls.

Flop : K62ssc, checks through.

Didn't see a lot of sense in cbetting into 4 opponents in an already bloated pot.

Turn (80): Jd. Bb checks, Hero bets 40, fold, V raises 120, bb folds, Hero?

Easy fold. When we get 4 callers and we flop an overcard to our QQ its hard to be proffitable continueing on with the hand.

Sidenote on betsizing pre: if you routinely gets this many callers on your opens you could go even larger in an attempt to get the desired results with a hand like QQ. Wich is 1-2 callers,that makes navigating postflop alot easier.

But as played, just fold and move on.

Trivial fold.

Why is it a trivial fold? If V had a king or a set he'd bet a relatively wet flop. The only value hand he has that we're losing to is JJ imo. He could have Q10 but unlikely seeing as we have blockers and he'd probably just call, getting a good price.

He likely knows my range is now capped at QJ, AJ and QQ. I would have cbet AA or a king. Therefore he can put pressure on those holdings with a raise.

V made a large raise, 3x, that screams value and setting up a river shove. Hand is four way and you want to believe villain is exploiting you? I just don't believe that villain would take a chance like that, not to mention BB checks and is still left to act after villain raises.

I like the turn bet for value, though I'd go with 50. Now it's time to fold vs the raise.

OK, we're on the turn, 4 way pot. Villain bets, you raise. How often do you do this and not beat 2nd pair?

I wouldn't do it that often, but i'm not a late 30s asian guy who looks like a winning reg in a 1-3 game at the wynn. In my mind he has JJ here sometimes, the other times he has 77-TT, AQ and is looking to take the pot right here after seeing that my range is clearly capped.

What value hands does he have?

I agree I should have gone a little higher on the turn to charge draws and get more value from jx hands.

OK, well if that's your read, call it off.

I think the raise sizing pre should be bigger given the straddle, especially if you're typically getting this many callers.

As played, I don't see V doing this with anything that can't beat 2nd pair so it seems like a fold. How often is he raising (to a size that def looks like value) into multiple opponents as a bluff? We also block a lot of the straight combos which makes those semi-bluffs from him less likely.

I've been reading a lot of stuff from Ed Miller lately that talks about blockers and one of the things I constantly see is, when facing a bet or raise, you don't want to block bluffs that your opponent can have because this inherently leaves more value hands in his range.

He can have Kx here a lot. Just because he checked back flop multi-way doesn't mean he didn't hit it. I think KJ is a large part of his range here. Maybe KT, K9 (I suppose it depends how wide you think he calls PF here. Could be very player dependent).
Even if it's close I would lean more towards folding and finding a better spot. The only merit I see for possibly bluff-catching is your read that he's a solid reg. But I still think it's a fold.

Seems fine, now fold.

With the button straddle on, I like limping with the intention of limp raising.

I like this play only if it's not a passive table that's doing a lot of limping. On that type of table I don't think the opponents are trying to steal or ISO more just because of the straddle.

Also, if you do decide to go with this line you're playing your hand pretty face up.

Thanks for the responses guys. He got there on the river :/

If you were blocking QT I'd be more inclined to call and see a river. You can look him up and be good here sometimes but most of the time you're getting spanked

I see no point in betting the turn. Youve overplayed your 2nd pair and cant even happily face a single bet. Youre either way behind, or facing a draw. So basically if you call, you gotta fold if any draw hits, but if the draws miss you end up calling a bet from a hand that has you beat on the river to avoid being bluffed out.

I think its a marginal call, because plenty of draws that may want to get there, and solid players might be making this move here. and then im calling on missed rivers, but not happy about it, youdve been much better off checking to river.

Also raise more pre. Blinds are twice as high, bet should be 30. Maybe 25, but 20 is far too low.

Yeah i mean, why is this even a thread if OP is ignoring all the comments/feedback he gets?

Just call it off then, its your money not ours.

The deeper / looser / more trickier / more aggro the table, the more I limp/reraise here. Kinda hate our preflop result (small SPR pot, multiway, OOP, having given 3 opponents super awesome 28+ IO). ETA: Also missed there was a Button straddle, which makes a limp to reraise even more enticing (as someone aggro cowboy will usually attempt to come after all the dead money).

I might bet this flop. We're not exactly WA/WB due to the flush draw, plus allowing a random Ax to hit ain't great. I probably go like $35 and be done with it.

As played, I'm also betting the turn. And I'm probably folding to the raise. Yeah, we kinda look weak checking this flop and maybe he's playing back at us, and you'd think a strong hand would always bet this flop when it's checked to him (I mean, he's really only repping JJ). But things aren't going to get any easier on the river (or are we planning on check/calling off our stack with 2nd pair?). ETA: The trickier the players are, the more I'm actually cooler with the idea of checking the turn to entice bluffs and be able to call down reasonable bets and get to showdown; the more ABC the opponents, the more I would lean towards bet/folding.

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What did he have? JT or QJ?

Just check the turn. It's really not that wet of a board. Hands we beat don't have a ton of equity. I guess bad villains will always bet a king on the flop but I absolutely check back kings here from time. There are zero draws on the flop except spades which only have an 18 percent chance to get there on the turn. If I had a hand like KJs KTs or KQ I could easily see myself checking it back on the flop. If I had KThh for example I rarely expect to get called by worse and do awful vs a raise so I could check flop and look to bet call turn.

As played I would probably fold but your argument most people bet kings on flop has merit. From a GTO perspective I would imagine this is definitely a fold since QQ is the bottom of our betting range except for spade draws which do better vs a raise. but we could make an exploitative call.

He had AJ, A river and i check call 150 because i'm a fish

Raise more pre, bet the flop, Fold turn. Easy game.