$1/$3 home game. 9-handed. $300 effective stacks.

Hero (UTG+1) - Mid 20's reg. TAG image.

V1 (MP1) - Mid 30's recreational player. Seems decent at hand ranging, but can be a bit of a loose-passive station at times.

V2 (MP2) - Unknown

V3 (CO) - Unknown

Preflop:
Hero raises to $15 with Qs Qc, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 calls

Flop ($60, 4ways) is Ks Ts 3d

Hero checks, V1 bets $25, V2 folds, V3 folds, Hero calls $25

Turn ($110, HU) is 6s
(Board is Ks Ts 3d 6s)

Hero checks, V1 bets $40, Hero calls $40

River ($190, HU) is 9d
(Board is Ks Ts 3d 6s 9d)

Hero checks, V1 bets $55, Hero calls $55

I will admit that the turn and river are spew. I am more concerned about the flop because that is a close decision: what do you think is the optimum line to take on the flop? Check/call, check/fold or bet/fold?

I ck-f flop.

But don't you think it's exploitable to just check/fold QQ every time there's an overcard on the flop?

x/f folding 2nd pair every time we are 4 way and have nut worst position can't be a huge mistake. IMO this combination of factors is more important than having QQ.

^^^^^^ this

Unless seen other wise you are making a small mistake at worst.

I think the line you took of check/calling the flop kind of makes your hand face up and will put you in a tough spot in later streets and more likely a 2nd decent size barrell will/should make you fold unless you have some really good reads on Villain.

Given that hero is multiway and the board texture you are going to cbet when you have TP+ nearly 100% of the time.

You are also OOP which just makes it a little worst as well.

Check/folding here while it could be exploited I dont really think you will be at these limits.

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Check fold the flop. You have terrible equity when behind and blockers to AQ/QJ/Qsxs. You described the villain as passive and he's betting the flop 4 ways so he probably has at least a K or a good draw.

HU yes, but it's 4-ways and our hand has horrible blocking effects, so no. I don't think the player you described would have any low equity bluffs here anyway.

It's been repeated before, but you only need to worry about exploitable play when your opponents are capable of exploiting you to begin with. Do you often run into/recognize 2-5 players doing so to the point where you're getting hurt folding here?

All that aside, theres just no reasonable path to showing down the best hand here and the likelihood only shrinks as the pot grows. You can also get into the fact that you'll have a whole bunch of other more playable/higher equity hands from EP along with relevant blocking that has some impact 4 handed.

Not to stray to far, but this is quite different than KK on AJx.

Fold flop is probably best when a loose-passive players bets out. His sizing is ****, but he's almost never betting worse than top pair. The flop call isn't bad since everyone folded. I'd definitely fold the turn. 3:1 isn't good enough odds to draw to the 2nd nut flush. The IO likely isn't there because you're oop and the flush will be obvious.

Hand would have been well played postflop against a LAG.

I don't think we want to be going 4+ways to the flop OOP, so I'd either raise more or limp/reraise.

The problem result is that the SPR is now lol 4.75 where anyone can make us play for stacks with just ~1/2 PSBs, and yet 3 opponents got tremendous 23+ implied odds preflop.

I would just check/fold the flop. Yeah, he might be betting a draw, but he bet into 2 opponents behind him in a 4way pot. What's our plan OOP on the turn, just hope he doesn't bet any more?

Turn is also fairly meh. The main draw got there, which really only leaves busted QJ as hands we're ahead of. Yeah, we're almost getting the immediate odds we need to chase the four-to-a-flush (unless he already has a flush, in which case we only have 7 outs and need 6:1), but we have poor IO on that (and perhaps poor RIO if we're already dead in the water).

On the river, we literally beat nothing as QJ just got there. This guy would have to be 3barrelling complete air or lol Tx or something for us to be good. Yeah, we're getting awesome odds to call, but so what, we're behind like always.

Geachstreet,includingpreflop,isprettymeh,imoG

I have to agree with everyone else that this is a check/fold. We're OOP to everyone and even if we cbet and get calls the board is so wet we won't know if they have a K or a draw or what. Basically we don't know what cards we want to come and there must be better spots than this to make cash.

As we check/call the flop against one player I'm kinda ok with it but once the third spade comes and they bet again I'd definitely shut down.

I think this is a check fold. V is betting into 2 other players after you check, that looks pretty strong, and in a 4 way raised pot is very likely someone hit that king.
We can get in a lot of trouble if we make our flush and money goes into the pot also. I would fold this one and wait for a better spot.

Looking back on it, I agree with all of you guys that x/folding the flop is the optimal play here.

Thank you all for the advice and for explaining your reasoning behind it.

Yeah it sucks that you got QQ but you got to know when to let them go, rather than calling a few bets and hoping you are good.
Could villain be semibluffing or betting with worst maybe but overall just let this go and move on

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