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1/3: QhQd- mega whales, but now what 1/3: QhQd- mega whales, but now what

02-10-2016 , 09:08 PM
$1/3, $200 capped buy in (lol, AUD..... this is peanuts to you americanz)
this was superbowl sunday and v1/v3 in town to gamble it up

V1 is the main villain, super crazy crazy gamble, playing this loose aggressive style, I'd give him the title of LAG, but I'm not entirely sure if he's good or bad... due to well sample size.
He has literally attacked every time he senses weakness/ spazz attacks sometimes and really only loses money to V3 and two other guys at the table. He had like $1700 when I got to the table but now only has $650.

V2, this super ANGRY guy, loose passive, who totally hates v1 and always enters a pot if V1 enters, price isn't even a point. $250ish

V3 is V1's mate, crazy aggro guy. He pops every third hand up to 20$ preflop, but is quite a decent player in terms of pre-flop hand selection and folding to 3bets etc etc. But he does raise all sorts of junk like Q7o.... He is on a heater and is literally hitting everyting. He has like $2.5k

H, young asian guy, lots of talking and joking, but hasnt played anything cos spot dead, only played a hand where I floated V1 and took pot away on the turn when flush came in. $350

I'm in the c/o, v3 makes it $20 from utg+1, folds to me in the c/o and i see two red queens and make it $50, btn (v1) calls, sb(v2) calls, folds to v3 who asks how much i have and then tank calls.

flop is K66ssx
checks to me, i cbet $75 (lol, was hoping thye didn't pick up on sizing, I didn't think they would because they had done way more sizing problems prior to this hand...), V1 makes it $160, everyone else folds...
hero?

the more i think about this spot, the more horrible i think i played the flop and it has bugged me all week

sorry for da bad english, im wayyyy too tired to try and grammar atm.

Last edited by Flopp3dIt; 02-10-2016 at 09:14 PM.
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02-11-2016 , 01:57 AM
Is 75 a weak bet here (I know it's less than half pot, but would V1 read it as weak)?

If so, I think you gotta go with your read. If not, or you aren't sure, fold.

I think I prefer checking this flop against described V. It gives you good relative position for the rest of the hand vs. the most likely attacker. Also, we are WA/WB OTB, and this reduces our exposure vis-a-vis the rest of the field. We also keep V1's range as wide as possible.
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02-11-2016 , 02:30 AM
4way id tend towards a delayed cbet here on the turn. Ap i think we have to take it to the felt with described V1. If hes attacking weakness I don't think we can fold to a raise when we have Queens and a over card hits the flop. I don't actually hate the cbet and against normal villains I'm cbetting almost 100% of the time.

Ap call flop and jam river to actualise max fe although from the sounds of it be doesn't have a fold button.
I can see arguments for folding here but tbh I can't go past an opportunity to get a whale like this to pay me off with some random junk.
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02-11-2016 , 02:34 AM
Am never really cbetting on this flop.
3 other players in the hand cbet is small so villian will attack which puts you in tough spot, maybe he has got a K/6/air but are you really comfortable calling his bet then when he fire on the turn what are you going to do?
Use your position and evalualte the turn
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02-11-2016 , 03:13 AM
If you KNOW he insta attacks weakness then the raise shouldnt be a surprise. Now does he attack weakness with nothing? You said you werent sure if he was good or bad. A competent player would not raise there unless they have you beat, especially being aware of their image. If you dont have that info I would lean towards a fold here.
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02-11-2016 , 01:06 PM
Any chance of V1 3betting for us preflop? If there is a decent chance of this, I might consider just flatting the original raise and then reraising after V1 3bets. Otherwise, I don't like our 3bet sizing. It gives the raiser 12+ implied odds (not great, but not horrendous) plus with this table there's a good chance this goes multiway (where we just have to get in a bigger percentage of our stack to be more cool with stacking off postflop). I'd probably make it $70 (and it sounds like we can still get action on that).

Kinda gross spot on the flop now. Pot is $200 and we only have $300 left. I think I'd probably check and then soul read if V1 starts going after the pot on the turn whether I stack off or not (i.e. I'd rather have chips go into the pot versus V1 by us showing weakness than strength because I think there is a far better chance we are ahead in the former case).

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02-11-2016 , 04:01 PM
Reads are super confusing:
V1 sounds bad, but "really only loses money to V3 and two other guys at table".
V3 "raises every third hand" but "quite a decent player in terms of pre-flop hand selection".

I like a bit more pre here. $60 sets up a nice 2.5:1 SPR if we get called in one spot. But $50 works too.

There's $200 in the pot and we have $300 behind against V's that seem bad and not in the tight, passive way. I think we have to commit.

Since V's seem to be betting too much rather than calling too much, I think a check on the flop is right. Either shove over a turn bet or lead turn/shove river.

As played, there's 435 in the pot and we have 225 behind. I recommend that we move all of our wagering units to the center of the table.
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02-11-2016 , 04:37 PM
I wouldn't cbet here. Your hand is simply too weak relative to the board texture. Against these opponents, you can't discount a 6 from anyone's holdings, and the K obviously hits their 3 bet calling ranges hard. Also, by cbetting you open the door to getting blown off your hand with V1 raising his spade draw. The fact that he only min-raised discounts the spade draw in favor of 6x or a K looking to stack off. Either way, you can't call this raise and stacking off in this spot is really, really, bad.

As painful as it is, this is a check/fold.
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02-12-2016 , 12:30 AM
Your 3 bet sizing is really small. You need to be thinking of the pot size when you raise. Raise to 70-75.
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02-13-2016 , 07:31 PM
I've read the responses and agree with all of the above.

I should have checked/fold(perhapsherocalled) or at the very least not cbet.
I was hoping the bet would get value from all draws and fold out trash kings/equity protection against Ax.

in saying that,
I posted this in my journal before I posted this here...

Spoiler:
hero bitched it and folded because i'm repping super strong here, but the more I think about this hand... I think I over fold in this spot and it's a great bluff spot against players like myself, need to study spots like these....
my 3betting range is capped @ 9s+, AK+ and assuming I fold all 99-QQ combos (16 combos) and stay with only AK(12 combos), KK (1 combo), AA (4 combos), this is a pretty good bluff spot with almost atc????

I mean if you hold Ax, my combos of AK go down to 12 combos...
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