Effective stacks $200

$6 Button straddle

Small blind limps

Big blind raises to $18

UTG(Hero) 99 flats(I considered re-raising but I did not, maybe I should in this spot?)

Folds to Button, button calls, small blind calls.

Flop
1038

Small blind thinks for a second and leads out for $20

Big blind flats

I raise to $90 because I'm confident I have the best hand based on post flop action, and can get called by worse(maybe this is too small? At the time I debated between jamming and just raising. I think with stack sizes, I should have jammed?)

Button folds, small blind thinks and talks and flats, big blind folds(confused what he would call $20 but fold to a raise with here?)

Turn
A

Small blind jams

Hero?

Really awkward spot preflop, imo. Stacks are fairly small and we're facing a big EP raise for ~10% of our stacks, but then our hand might be good (although probably only flipping) although if behind we're crushed. I *think* I also just flat and hope for some callers behind to marginally setmine. It's also possible the flop plays out honestly if it goes multiway and we can simply evaluate if we think we have the best hand without flopping a set. Both other options (raising and folding) are probably considerations too.

Even though it's a small 1/3 PSB from the SB, he still has to have something betting into 3 opponents (even a draw + overs is doing ok against us and that is likely the worse hand he has), and the preflop raiser also called with 2 to react behind him (and again the worse hand he has is likely doing ok against us). This is enough action to convince me I'm likely not good, even to the small bet sizing, so I'd probably lean towards a fold. ETA: Have just realized that since this is a 4way pot this is more like a 1/4 PSB and weak call, so perhaps more reason to believe we are actually good and a jam might be fine.

If we are raising, then yeah, I think I would just jam. There's already $100 in the pot and they only have $160 left. A raise is clearly committing, so just get it in *if* we've decided to commit.

We're getting fairly terrific odds on the turn of 4:1 so we don't have to be right all that often to call. But is he really doing this with a busted non-A flush draw / busted straight draw? Reads would be needed here to make the best decision.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Agreed I should have jammed if I was going to raise OTF. Based on my read, the $20 bet OTF, unless it's a savvy player(this one wasn't), is usually a weak one pair or draw type hand.

I like the raise on the flop if you are sure of your read. I might just let it go now. Seems he's calling pre and calling flop with diamonds and probably has the A. Any more info on SB? Will he shove a draw here?

(In future, please put pot sizes on streets.)

Edit: We were posting at the same time, so just saw results. He was better than I thought. Also, wait 24 hours before posting results.

You have a very condensed range otf. When your raise gets called you're in big trouble because it makes it more likely your opponent will have a range that either beats yours or has more robust equity than you. That's why any raise is here is bad imo. Our opponent can often make the correct decicion to call our jam if he can draw to the best hand. Based on flop action we should be thinking of a marginal call or a fold.

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Preflop seems fine. Flop should be a call. I don't think you can make a decision that you have the best hand yet. You're in position and can see how they act on the turn. Sure you get drawn out on sometimes doing that, but you're hand is not that strong and might not be ahead anyway.

As played, turn seems an easy fold. He's never bluffing there.

He's calling a shove with the NFD too if he called $90.

Sucks.

Isn't even calling flop kinda meh? Pot will actually be $140 with $160 stacks back. I guess we're just evaluating turn card/action before committing?

Might be being results oriented, but in the end the guy hand a hand that is never folding and is doing fine, which is kinda what you would mostly expect from someone donking into a 4way pot with smallish stacks behind. i.e. we're never in terrific shape here and sometimes (often?) crushed, so folding can't be horrible, no?

GcluelessNLnoobG

We don't even have 15:1 pre so shouldn't we just fold pre? It's not like we're confident about doubling up if we hit a set and call getting <15:1 for that reason.

Yeah, but I also don't think we're completely setmining either; our hand might be best and we're just going to evaluate the flop/action and make a decision then.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Yeah, think it's better generally to fold flop since when you're beat you're really beat. If you have some read then push, but don't think is a good default.


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Grunch.

Reads on V's?

Pot sizes on each street make it much easier to respond.

Not a great spot to set mine with only 11x behind. You're in position and might actually flop an overpair, so I guess calling isn't too bad.

I don't love 3b here. If V calls, stacks will be awkward post (if we make it $55, there will be $110 in the pot and $150 behind). There are players left to act (who will most likely fold, but will occasionally interfere).

99 is a strong hand and lol at folding. But it's a strong hand in a crappy spot. I think I'd rather be laughed at than play a negative EV hand. I would have laid it down pre.

What's the plan OTF? Pot is $72 to start, with the bet, call, and your call it would be $132 with $162 behind. When you raise, are you planning to gii? Is this a pure bluff so that you can fold to further action?

I think I'd flat and evaluate turn.

AP, I'm snap folding the turn.

Flop raise is really not what's up. Just call.

Gotta fold turn as played