Villain (MP): young white man, not super aggressive but more aggressive than average ($450)
Hero (EP): mid 20s Asian, LAG image ($800)

Hero opens $12 with 77. Villain calls, BTN calls.

Flop: T86 ($36)

Hero checks. Villain bets $20. BTN folds hero calls.

Turn: 9 ($74)

Hero checks. Villain bets $50. Hero calls.

River: 2 ($174)

Villain shoves for about $350. I guess we have to call? Dunno if villain folds QJo to EP open. If he does this is a snap call I guess. He seems to not be too fishy. Limps a little too much but generally raises preflop. Just so confusing what he hopes to get called by. My line looks like two pair so him having straight makes sense. Problem is I double block the straight I'm chopping with so if he's not bluffing it's most likely QJ. Don't really see him turning missed FD into overbet bluff I don't think too many 1/3 villains are capable of doing so. I did open EP and x/c flop so it might look like I rarely have a straight. But again, doubt he's bluffing.

If you doubt he is bluffing its a clear fold. Calling off double PSB here in order to chop at best,and get owned by a bigger straight a healthy potion of the time is a losing proposition.

We should be happy that villain bombs a size where he pretty much have zero bluffs (turning his hand faceup), and make us play more correctly against his range. If he fires like 120$ here we are forced to pay off, instead he priced himself out with the overbet that is never a bluff at these stakes.

Yeah I'm folding. The number of players at LLSNL who will overbet jam here with anything but the stizzles is low.

This. I'd have to have a specific read to believe villain is capable of making this sort of overbet as a bluff.

Yeah I guess. At 2/5 probably a call though cause people can take this line with sets for thin value when they know you can't have QJ cause you cbet flop instead of x/c with that?

much better for you to have folded on the flop and not got into this spot.

I wouldn't be opening this hand if we're expecting to get multiway action OOP especially with a difficult player having position on us (BTW: seat change). I'd typically just open limp.

Flop 3ways I'd probably cbet. Our hand could easily be best. We probably have outs. We could actually get called by worse (draws). We could possibly get better (8x) to fold. As played, I'd probably just fold. Guy did bet with another guy still to react, and he's aggro enough where he'll probably still bet the turn and all of our outs can be ugly looking.

I also call check/call the turn and I also hate life on the river and am not sure what to do. If I've seen him be capable of big river overbet bluffs, then we might have to call here (even though in general very few players are capable of betting this much on the river without the nuts).

The bottom line for this whole hand for me boils down to preflop. Our preflop raise built a big pot OOP to a difficult player with a hand that rarely flops well. I think we have to ask ourselves whether this is really a profitable move.

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I'm never open limping ever and if I'm ever at a table where a pocket pair is not +EV to open UTG I'm getting a table change. I don't think 8x folds flop cause all 8x he should have has a gutshot except A8s which is a bad flat. Also I'd rather have good players on my left (he was OK, not good enough for me to be worried) and bad players on my right even if being OOP vs better players can be tougher to handle.

I'll need to learn to play OOP vs good players anyways cause if I get to 2/5 before WSOP ends, I'd imagine half the table would be good players as opposed to 1/2 and 1/3 where everyone is a fish except for maybe one or two guys in their 20s or 30s.

Pre is alright.

Flop is very standard, as is turn.

River I just meh call. We dont have any better hands here, and I doubt he always bets QJ OTF with BTN left to act behind

I looked at villain and said "wow I have a set of tens man...". He looks indifferent.

"You show if I fold?"

"Nah"

"OK I'll show one"

"Actually nah not showing any"

Tank forever, someone calls clock.

yeah I agree with all this / am calling river.

I would shove QJ here in this spot if I was V. You opened UTG meaning you could be very strong here. A shove looks fishy so he might get a call if you re strong here which you seem to be. UTG raise and he's been called on 2 streets. So if I'm Hero, I'm mucking it.

I think the flop was the mistake. C-bet I can get on board with but I wouldn't call here OOP.

I don't think cbetting this flop accomplishes much. Smacks a calling range pretty hard he's not fold pair + gutshot or overcards + gutshot. Check call allows him to bluff his draws.

Pf is fine. If you always raise when opening the hand and you play a bit loose, there's nothing wrong with the play. There's nothing wrong with limping or folding either. It is one of those hands that for me would be table specific.

The big mistake is on the flop. As soon as you check in a 3 way hand, you announced you can't beat TP and likely don't have a FD with two overs on this board. Once someone bets at it, your best move is to fold.

You hit a 3 outer on the turn (you didn't want to see a spade here) and now have a 1 card straight that isn't even the nuts which illustrates why you didn't want to call on the flop. I guess I'd call having got this far.

On the river, I would have made a blocking bet of $100 if I was considering a call. If he raises, you can be fairly sure you're beat. A set would be worried about you slow playing your straight on the turn. That said, I wouldn't have got here because I wouldn't have played this passively to this point.