Effective stacks, $400

V is a loose/passive preflop player (plays 43o, 85o to pf raises hoping to bink)

Hero raises to $15 UTG with QQ, 1 caller in MP, V OTB raises to $45, Hero calls, MP calls

Flop ($150ish): A67 (2 diamonds)
Hero checks, MP checks, V bets $50, Hero calls (I think he could make that bet with JJ?), MP folds

Turn ($250): 6x
Hero checks, V bets $100, Hero folds

Did I butcher this hand? Comments on every street?

meh, pretty villain dependant, if he is only 3 betting KK+,AK then flop is easy fold

No considerations folding pre given our FOS image?

Wat?

When you describe him as loose/ passive preflop, has he shown any aggression with premiums/ value hands?

Considering how loose he has been, I would be fine with GII preflop.

Considering we are oop throughout the remainder of the hand, it will be difficult to bloat the pot. We need to extract value preflop when he will call loosely.

So V is loose/passive pre, and CALLS with weak holdings..

Have you seen V 3bet pre? is his 3b range wide? Or is it solely QQ+?

I like a re-raise pre. As played, I just fold the flop, especially since you still have a player behind you.

I'm thinking he has AA. I fold when you do. I might've 4 bet pre. That's because of V being Lag.

When a passive player 3bets preflop, it's typically a big hand. Yeah, it's *possible* it might be JJ or AK, but it's really leaning towards the hands we are afraid of. I also call preflop because our implied odds are into the mid teens, and if he does have AA/KK, we are most likely going to stack them on Q high flops.

Easy check/fold on the flop as now one of the few hands we were ahead of (AK) just got there. I was planning on folding 9 high flops if this opponent continued with a cbet 3ways because we're only ahead of JJ (which is probably near the very bottom of a passive players 3bet range) and a passive player is unlikely to barrel a whiffed AK into 2 opponents.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hey GG, with effective stacks $400, how is calling $45 to setmine giving us implied odds in mid-teens?

You are only calling $30 for a chance to win at least $460 (assuming MP calls).

Preflop is between folding and setmining. Our hand simply does not at all play well against his range OOP.

Our reads don't give us much to help with this particular spot. Does he overcommit to speculative hands postflop? If you haven't seen him overplay a single hand postflop, then setmining probably isn't worth it because he'll probably find a way out of the hand often enough that we won't be able to make our $30 back.

If we have any reason whatsoever to believe he'll be willing to get stacks in with a single pair, then we can probably exploit how faceup his range is and go setmining.

Postflop: fold on the flop. Even putting aside that we only shoulda called pre for set mining, Villain could have seen a free turn, and he didn't. It doesn't mean he never has a mediocre holding, but it does weight his range toward hands that are ahead of yours. You also have bad absolute position and dreadful relative position. You're kind of ****ed five ways to Friday in this spot, and the fact that he does once every blue moon have a worse pocket pair isn't enough to justify a call.

+1

We have the Villain's $400 stack plus the $30 of our and other guys money already in the pot = $430, and we're now being asked to call $30, so 14.3x implied odds (and even greater if we think the other guy will call).

Ahh my bad. Btw, what line should we take on the following flops:

1) AQ7
2) Q96
3) T84


Are we gonna c/r first two and drive villain off?

I am probably check calling in all 3 scenarios, unless stacks are very deep/or its a flushdraw out there, and we need to check/raise in order to get stacks in easily. Scenario 3 i am just calling and see what developes on the turn.

In the first two we have so incredibly strong hands that i dont want to blow him off the hook,especially if the boards are rainbow. Also we have various moneycards that can hit on the turn, wich will make us getting more from all of his range. Lets say K rolls off on the turn in flop number 1, that card might give AK top two and is for sure stacking off.

Or a J kan roll off on the turn at flop number 2 giving JJ a set as well, you get the picture.

Lets check to villain once more at the turn and hope he fires a solid bet and potcommit himself.

The SPR is like 2ish, so there is no reason to check/raise when we flop our set cuz we can easily get chips in over two streets, even if the first street checks thru. So for hands 1 and 2 I'd just check/call the flop and check the turn, getting the rest in on the river if need be; if the flop checks thru, I'd bet the turn to setup a river shove.

On hand 3, I'm nit check/folding against most opponents.

GcluelessNLnoobG

So check/call flop and check/shove turn with sets I assume? I'm just scared that V might fold turn even with AK on AQxx board given our image.

I'm pretty much auto-checking on any flop. After that, it depends.

It depends on Villain's bet sizing, but by the time he puts in a second bet into this pot it's going to be for most of his chips (if it isn't a shove already).

True.